Russian Capture pistols and MG's

As many people know,the Russian's captured hundreds of thousands of arms during and at the end of WW2.

Many of them were sent as "aid" to insurgent groups around the globe.This days they are actually for sale on the open market,however the prices are sky high even before they are exported.

The Russian Army is planning on building a type of Cathedral/Spiritual headquarters for is military.The Steps of which are going to be made from Smelted Small Arms.

Here is a video of what they are going to be using.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/cont...af.htm/player/

the lugers and what looked like a MG42 would be a bit of a waste to be melted down.

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Originally Posted by csmiffy

the lugers and what looked like a MG42 would be a bit of a waste to be melted down.

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The Russians, understandably, probably see it quite differently.

I think you'll find they will use the poor examples for steps and sell off the rest. Maybe even throw a Lada or two in the pot.

From just the small sample they showed they look to be in mint condition... I would love a 1939 Luger... Just imagine what's in the rest of those crates!

I'd be like a kid in a candy shop :P

sad sad sad.

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Originally Posted by norsk

As many people know,the Russian's captured hundreds of thousands of arms during and at the end of WW2.

Many of them were sent as "aid" to insurgent groups around the globe.This days they are actually for sale on the open market,however the prices are sky high even before they are exported.

The Russian Army is planning on building a type of Cathedral/Spiritual headquarters for is military.The Steps of which are going to be made from Smelted Small Arms.

Here is a video of what they are going to be using.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/cont...af.htm/player/

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And "pray tell" where did one source such info to back up such a statement as this
"Many of them were sent as "aid" to insurgent groups around the globe"

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

And "pray tell" where did one source such info to back up such a statement as this
"Many of them were sent as "aid" to insurgent groups around the globe"

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I suppose the STG 44/ 45's found in Syria where just there on holiday ????::omg:
Sadly the reality is that the only real market for these firearms is the US and the chances of them ending up there are , zero to nothing .

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Originally Posted by Tankd

I suppose the STG 44/ 45's found in Syria where just there on holiday ????::omg:
Sadly the reality is that the only real market for these firearms is the US and the chances of them ending up there are , zero to nothing .

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Syria
Russia was invited into Syria - by the Syrian Government - not like a few other countries that imposed themselves there illegally

"Sadly " been your operative word

Really explain Algeria , Somalia and Burkina Faso ????

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/...ca-after-wwii/

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Originally Posted by Tankd

Really explain Algeria , Somalia and Burkina Faso ????

https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/...ca-after-wwii/

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Why ask me - ask the Propagandist whom wrote the article :-)

@Tankd @Sarvo can you just agree to disagree..

Seems a shame to see them go. At least they will have a use better than going through the gas axes and dropped in a landfill I.e. Nz seized firearms

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Originally Posted by 223nut

@Tankd @Sarvo can you just agree to disagree..

Seems a shame to see them go. At least they will have a use better than going through the gas axes and dropped in a landfill I.e. Nz seized firearms

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No :-)

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

And "pray tell" where did one source such info to back up such a statement as this
"Many of them were sent as "aid" to insurgent groups around the globe"

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Where do you think the following groups got their deniable mg42's,34's STG44's and K98s?
PLO
SWAPO
PLAN
ANC
SACP
& The Veitcong

Why not look into things yourself before you get your red crayon out?

Im an insurgent group, can I please have some free historical firearms? actually i'll have some new ones too if that's not too much to ask?
Please.
And thankyou. (sitting upright with arms and legs crossed)

There is a article in guns and hunting on old WW1 German machine guns - concreted into buildings in NZ

Thankfully some have been recovered and restored - especially with historical meaning for NZ

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Originally Posted by norsk

Where do you think the following groups got their deniable mg42's,34's STG44's and K98s?
PLO
SWAPO
PLAN
ANC
SACP
& The Vietcong

Why not look into things yourself before you get your red crayon out?

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I should have been more accurate with my message - I was reacting to Syria comment more than the origin post
Re the above insurgent groups - yes you will be correct - but remember Russia was Soviet comprising of many countries that now are all independent again.
Some of which are still supplying weaponry to Terrorist and insurgent groups

The flip side to this (what arks me up) is the "other side" never seem to gain the same negative/vitriol traction that Russia does - especially the last few years.
Re the above - the "other side" was supplied weapons by who ??

I will not debate which side was correct in its stand/intent

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

I should have been more accurate with my message - I was reacting to Syria comment more than the origin post
Re the above insurgent groups - yes you will be correct - but remember Russia was Soviet comprising of many countries that now are all independent again.
Some of which are still supplying weaponry to Terrorist and insurgent groups

The flip side to this (what arks me up) is the "other side" never seem to gain the same negative/vitriol traction that Russia does - especially the last few years.
Re the above - the "other side" was supplied weapons by who ??

I will not debate which side was correct in its stand/intent

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Germany openly supplied tons of G3s to the Kurds. No secret, saw if on German television. They talked about old but still working weapons....I just sat and drooled. Bet they had all been gone over carefully by an armourer before storage or shipment.

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Originally Posted by Cordite

Germany openly supplied tons of G3s to the Kurds. No secret, saw if on German television. They talked about old but still working weapons....I just sat and drooled. Bet they had all been gone over carefully by an armourer before storage or shipment.

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Lets not start on who supplied the insurgence factions/terrorist groups in Middle East this last 20 years.
BIG money in Wars !!!

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Originally Posted by Sarvo

I should have been more accurate with my message - I was reacting to Syria comment more than the origin post
Re the above insurgent groups - yes you will be correct - but remember Russia was Soviet comprising of many countries that now are all independent again.
Some of which are still supplying weaponry to Terrorist and insurgent groups

The flip side to this (what arks me up) is the "other side" never seem to gain the same negative/vitriol traction that Russia does - especially the last few years.
Re the above - the "other side" was supplied weapons by who ??

I will not debate which side was correct in its stand/intent

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Every Government supplies weapons to other Countries and " Groups " , it is done for either Political / Money reasons or just for the chance to mess up someone else's deal . The only side that is in the "Right " is the side that wins , because the Victor ( winner ) gets to write the history :D

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Originally Posted by 40mm

Im an insurgent group, can I please have some free historical firearms? actually i'll have some new ones too if that's not too much to ask?
Please.
And thankyou. (sitting upright with arms and legs crossed)

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And I am the leader of Rushy’s Liberation Army so I will also join the queue as we are currently armed with two sticks and a rock. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Rushy

And I am the leader of Rushy’s Liberation Army so I will also join the queue as we are currently armed with two sticks and a rock. Thank you

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I think you may have got the measurements wrong - your army is holding onto a stick with 2 rocks..... :)

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Originally Posted by Beaker

I think you may have got the measurements wrong - your army is holding onto a stick with 2 rocks..... :)

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We have learnt that when you get you rocks off it gets a bit sticky. Ha ha ha ha

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Originally Posted by Rushy

And I am the leader of Rushy’s Liberation Army so I will also join the queue as we are currently armed with two sticks and a rock. Thank you

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Be careful RLA. Those weapons are mine.

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Originally Posted by norsk

Where do you think the following groups got their deniable mg42's,34's STG44's and K98s?
PLO
SWAPO
PLAN
ANC
SACP
& The Veitcong

Why not look into things yourself before you get your red crayon out?

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They got them from God. Their prayers were answered. I to have been praying nightly for an MG 42, but sadly my previous sins seemed to have interfered with its divine delivery.

Even in 1979 Rhodesian security forces were still picking up MG-34 machine guns off of dead terrs. They were not extensively used though as quantities of Communist supplied weapons and ammunition were prolific and tolerated neglect far better.

Don't recall instances of MG-xx turning up with PLAN (the armed wing of SWAPO, which is the political entity), or any of the domestic South African liberation movements. MK in particular, preferred laying mines and firing RPG-7s. They eschewed direct confrontation as when they were able to be brought to contact by the SAP or SADF, it tended not to go too well for them.

Still - it wouldn't surprise me if they were around though.

Apparently the StG-44s were used by East Germany after the war and then given to the Syrian government as aid to fight Israel. After sitting in the armory for 30+ years they were then looted from an armory by the insurgents.

Ok so if I cant have a MG42 even a Luger would be ok??? PS please please please melt some Nagant rifles instead to make your steps.

A German mate of mine who did his GDR CMT back in the nineties told me that the goal when they were behind the MG42, or as Timo called it 'The Bone Saw' was to fire three shot bursts. Pretty hard to do but a lot of fun practicing no doubt !!
The other thing to save from the step-makers furnace would be any 88 mm guns.

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

A German mate of mine who did his GDR CMT back in the nineties told me that the goal when they were behind the MG42, or as Timo called it 'The Bone Saw' was to fire three shot bursts. Pretty hard to do but a lot of fun practicing no doubt !!
The other thing to save from the step-makers furnace would be any 88 mm guns.

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You are right. Soo fast. 1000-1300 rpm for the MG3 is about 20 a second. Downregulated from the wartime MG42, was it 2000rpm? The real saw.

From Wikipedia, another one of my cut and paste postings for @40mm's amusement too:

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The German military instructs sustained fire must be avoided at all costs. In the bipod mounted light machine gun role MG 3 users are trained to fire short bursts of 3 to 5 rounds and strive to optimize their aim between bursts fired in succession. In the tripod mounted medium machine gun role MG 3 users are trained to fire short bursts and bursts of 20 to 30 rounds and strive to optimize their aim between bursts fired in succession.

As for the sacrilege of melting down 88mm cannon, Wikipedia is strangely silent.... O-:>

My old man's unit liberated a 88 in North Africa they had a play with it for a couple weeks then had it taken off them would have been tricky trying to smuggle it home
but they did manage an MG34 and a few other goodies,
The big counties all supply the combatants in the middle east with arms either directly or through a third party while one lot of politicians are trying to negotiate a peace deal
others are doing arms deals behind their backs, America England France Germany China and any other country with an arms industry is in on the game make money any way they can
if they stopped suppling arms to the Syrian conflict it would have petered out years ago.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

And I am the leader of Rushy’s Liberation Army so I will also join the queue as we are currently armed with two sticks and a rock. Thank you

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EL PRESIDENTE!

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Originally Posted by Tankd

I suppose the STG 44/ 45's found in Syria where just there on holiday ????::omg:
Sadly the reality is that the only real market for these firearms is the US and the chances of them ending up there are , zero to nothing .

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No thats not correct. The UK obtain boatloads of Russian stuff and then deact it, or sell it to dealers like me. I have imported a fair few of those green crates full of Russian capture stuff into NZ. But as with all good things, its come to an end as it seems too difficult to get the weapons out of Russia. In years past, they were shipped out at the closest port, but law changes have necessitated skirting round countries that are not "gun transiting through them" friendly, and the shipping cost makes it uneconomical now.

I see where you are coming from , but there are hundreds of crates , and the machine guns would be unlikely to be brought in any numbers because of US regulations . Then there is the fact as to who " owns " these weapons , which runs into the Sanctions on Russia . Sadly the only market that could absorb a large portion of the rifles and pistols is the USA , with some piggy backing of others for the crumbs . But really there could be a massive " hidden " cache in Russia that has been forgotten , who knows what that will emerge ? .

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Originally Posted by GDMP

Seems a bit silly to smelt them down now,when they have been stored for long they are now collectible arms and worth good money on the open market.

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Not worth that much if the Russians dump them all onto the open market in one go.