Scope levels - do they work?

Norway, would you let a builder build you a house with no level? Just using his sence of level? I sure wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by L.R

Norway, would you let a builder build you a house with no level? Just using his sence of level? I sure wouldn't.

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Plumber that did my house didn't own a level...

And how does it look?

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Originally Posted by zimmer

Plumber that did my house didn't own a level...

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Water finds its own level Zimmer

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Originally Posted by L.R

And how does it look?

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He proved the theory that water will not run uphill. Oh by the way I am from the ACD camp.

That was a very intereting thread. I learnt a few things and great information for new shooters to read.
I was given some good advice the other day about natural point of aim. When going prone the first thing to do is to look at the target as you lay down. Rather than finding a comfy spot to lay down then acquiring the target. A good place to start.

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Originally Posted by L.R

Norway, would you let a builder build you a house with no level? Just using his sence of level? I sure wouldn't.

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Sorry, you are com-plet-ely missing the point.
A builder doesn't use a cheekweld or a rested position.

This is by far the single most blog episode were I have so thoroughly failed to get the message across :ORLY:

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Originally Posted by Norway

Sorry, you are com-plet-ely missing the point.
A builder doesn't use a cheekweld or a rested position.

This is by far the single most blog episode were I have so thoroughly failed to get the message across :ORLY:

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I caught your drift Norway.
They may be handy bits of kit, but you dont need one to be successful.



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i have a scope level that folds out so you can see it and the cross hair in your scope at the same time.
i didnt like it because even though you can get it in the same place every time it just didnt seem right as its just wierd trying to get the bubble centre when your not right behind it, instead your off to the side.
so iv taken it off, and i spend more time trying to read the wind instead.

i get what norway is saying... the moment you have the bubble level (the type thats on the centre of the scope) whats to say it didnt move when you shift your focus to the cross hair. instead you would probabley be better off trusting your natural sences.

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Don't know why I'm on here on the wall home but right, not don't know down from us, but this bugs will do:p work dos:cool:

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Mate!!! Drive? Jew in door I can hardly walk let almost drive!!! So 2 legs for me I'll be sweet after the 5ish kook home:thumbup:

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:yaeh am not durnk: haha, on the tui.

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Originally Posted by Norway

This is by far the single most blog episode were I have so thoroughly failed to get the message across :ORLY:

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I think most here understand the point your are making but myself and it seems a few others just don't agree with it. You claim that our vestibular scenses will allow us to identify verticle anywhere in any position therefore not needing the information a simple level can give?. The problem is when determining verticel the brain will use all the information from any of the body's senses it can not just the vestibular and as is the case with many human factors it can be misled. Setting up on a nice level position, a familar spot Iv used befor or any postion that gives me something in the site picture to reference off and I will normally be close enough without relying on a level. Lying on a side slope and looking up at 30 degrees at a animal standing on a slope and I can be long way off. Thats I as in me personally. My human scenses will no doubt vary from other humans.
I have it now, you had a scope level but it turned out to be a lesbian and left you for another lesbian scope level?

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Originally Posted by sneeze

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Not critical for a hit. I tried to stress that word in the first post.

Position, regardless of terrain and situation, is a matter of training. A level can be a nice tool, but not an absolute necessity.

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Originally Posted by Snala

Those pictures of the competitive shooters showing cant aren't relevant as their rifles are zeroed for one known specific range anyway so any variance from centre is only going to happen if they changed ranges without adjusting. For what you guys are saying here if a gun is always shot canted, it must be relevant, especially the further out you shoot from the rifles true zeroed range.

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The rifle can be canted but the scope cant.... rifle canted & the scope not gets the bullets running parallel but to one side very slightly.... you dont have to adjust for it you just aim for it and if its only a few degrees it will be sweet FA so you don't even need to aim for it ... The error comes in with dialing and if scope is set right the dialing will align with gravity :)

Now to watch the next video :D

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

Dave!!!!:p

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Drunk and disorderly
Indecent exposure
graftity using obscene language.

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Originally Posted by Norway

Not critical for a hit. I tried to stress that word in the first post.

Position, regardless of terrain and situation, is a matter of training. A level can be a nice tool, but not an absolute necessity.

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"Critital for a hit" will depend on the amount of cant errror ,target size and elevation dialed. A few things I use may not be "critcel for a hit" but they help a little in some situations so Ill keep them till I find a better way. Seems we are starting to go in circles now.