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Jexla Thanks for sharing Ryan,... 05-04-2017, 12:25 AM
Ryan Whilst it would have been... 05-04-2017, 07:38 AM
Gillie Yep, am watching with... 05-04-2017, 07:56 AM
mikee I do give a toss and will be... 05-04-2017, 08:33 AM
Ryan Well if people do adopt that... 05-04-2017, 09:34 AM
mikee I agree but past experience... 05-04-2017, 10:26 AM
zimmer Go no further than our... 05-04-2017, 10:50 AM
gonetropo i never thought i would own a... 05-04-2017, 11:20 AM
Sasquatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?... 05-04-2017, 07:44 PM
Beavis May be different this time.... 05-04-2017, 09:53 AM
Ryan Should be about to kick off... 05-04-2017, 10:58 AM
Ryan Great. 05-04-2017, 01:07 PM
R93 Very relevant clip. Well... 05-04-2017, 07:59 PM
Ryan ... 07-04-2017, 11:45 AM
Longranger We have firearms license... 26-04-2017, 03:05 AM
Ryan Common theme here is not... 05-04-2017, 11:22 PM
6x47 Yep, now we see all the... 07-04-2017, 01:38 PM
Ryan https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-new... 07-04-2017, 01:48 PM
Ryan It's up now: ... 07-04-2017, 02:29 PM
Beavis So they acknowledge that... 07-04-2017, 02:43 PM
zimmer Sounds like registration in... 07-04-2017, 02:50 PM
Danger Mouse Yeah it conrtradicts itself... 07-04-2017, 03:11 PM
zimmer I see on TV1 this morning the... 11-04-2017, 08:45 AM
Danger Mouse Will be told by me in no... 11-04-2017, 09:23 AM
Tommy What a fucking joke 07-04-2017, 02:56 PM
Beavis The way they want it to be,... 07-04-2017, 02:58 PM
Ryan "...as a result of this... 07-04-2017, 03:21 PM
stug Also would make it illegal to... 07-04-2017, 03:33 PM
Ryan https://www.facebook.com/firea... 07-04-2017, 03:44 PM
Ryan Aside from the entire... 07-04-2017, 04:05 PM
zimmer It's about what I expected... 07-04-2017, 04:25 PM
veitnamcam Have not voted for either of... 07-04-2017, 11:15 PM
stug It is also terrible what they... 07-04-2017, 04:28 PM
stug They mention that they don't... 07-04-2017, 04:22 PM
Beavis I'm sure arms officers around... 07-04-2017, 04:23 PM
zimmer Unfortunately, when you are... 07-04-2017, 04:28 PM
Ryan Mad keen bro, I'm still... 07-04-2017, 04:25 PM
Sasquatch It's beyond obvious they... 07-04-2017, 04:34 PM
Danger Mouse Easy, the sale of pvc pipe... 07-04-2017, 04:41 PM
dogmatix I'm going to be... 07-04-2017, 05:34 PM
stug Problem is that all the... 07-04-2017, 05:40 PM
Beavis If only their was one that... 07-04-2017, 07:12 PM
Maca49 Go Paula the hunter!! 07-04-2017, 07:24 PM
Danger Mouse Senidng to all of the... 07-04-2017, 08:08 PM
outdoorlad I think we all need to take a... 07-04-2017, 08:34 PM
AzumitH Time to get salty on them... 07-04-2017, 09:30 PM
Steve123 So what happens when a rifle... 07-04-2017, 09:40 PM
jackson21 They don't recommend... 07-04-2017, 11:18 PM
Moutere If this wider permit to... 07-04-2017, 11:29 PM
veitnamcam All that would happen there... 07-04-2017, 11:41 PM
Moutere No, transfer with a permit.... 07-04-2017, 11:53 PM
veitnamcam With a snowed under system... 07-04-2017, 11:59 PM
MeOverU Just wondering if this will... 08-04-2017, 12:00 AM
jackson21 Well yes as they have... 08-04-2017, 08:24 AM
Beaker Can anyone give a list of... 08-04-2017, 12:14 AM
veitnamcam Not on this forum... 08-04-2017, 12:35 AM
timattalon in the third paragraph of the... 08-04-2017, 12:31 AM
veitnamcam Well said but saying it on... 08-04-2017, 12:45 AM
Moutere What I found most... 08-04-2017, 12:51 AM
jackson21 Well that is not entirely... 08-04-2017, 08:39 AM
Moutere A submission rate of less... 08-04-2017, 09:05 AM
systolic Isn't that what we elect MPs... 08-04-2017, 09:17 AM
7x64 You do have to keep in mind... 08-04-2017, 09:25 AM
gadgetman A good number of those are... 08-04-2017, 01:05 PM
systolic Quite true. I found this... 08-04-2017, 04:07 PM
jackson21 Not entirely as some... 09-04-2017, 10:10 AM
Ryan I made my submission. I... 08-04-2017, 12:27 PM
Pointer I would support changes that... 08-04-2017, 08:39 AM
Krameranzac COLFO... 08-04-2017, 10:59 AM
mkm Well at least the army is... 08-04-2017, 11:18 AM
shooternz I am going to write to the... 08-04-2017, 12:20 PM
mikee Interestinglyly there seems... 08-04-2017, 12:47 PM
systolic Of course the rules don't... 08-04-2017, 03:59 PM
gadgetman And the next big problem with... 08-04-2017, 01:02 PM
timattalon Section 5 part 2 of the... 08-04-2017, 05:21 PM
Moutere That's true Gadget. 08-04-2017, 01:30 PM
Krameranzac Paula Bennett has this topic... 08-04-2017, 06:15 PM
223nut Face plant.... N politicians... 08-04-2017, 06:42 PM
gonetropo FB, a way to hide from the... 08-04-2017, 06:44 PM
Sideshow Sorry I'm late to the party,... 08-04-2017, 07:37 PM
300CALMAN simple.. make you a criminal 08-04-2017, 07:57 PM
norsk Enforce through... 09-04-2017, 02:39 AM
timattalon My question would be more... 09-04-2017, 09:34 AM
223nut This was one of my first... 09-04-2017, 09:52 AM
norsk Through a minimum age of... 09-04-2017, 11:19 AM
stug Here is a copy of a letter I... 08-04-2017, 08:21 PM
kiwijames Please excuse the plagurism... 10-04-2017, 01:00 PM
gonetropo also point out that shooting... 10-04-2017, 01:17 PM
Sideshow Nice one Stug I suggest that... 08-04-2017, 08:39 PM
stug Need to add this question... 08-04-2017, 08:54 PM
Sylvester Looks good to me stug these... 08-04-2017, 11:00 PM
Ernie https://www.facebook.com/paula... 09-04-2017, 09:28 AM
mikee Yes Yes and "polite but firm"... 09-04-2017, 09:34 AM
Beavis The more I read it, the more... 09-04-2017, 12:32 PM
JWB This is what you are up... 10-04-2017, 11:21 AM
Krameranzac Remember also that as a... 09-04-2017, 02:14 PM
Krameranzac Paula Bennetts Facebook... 09-04-2017, 07:16 PM
timattalon Thats almost a TUI... 10-04-2017, 09:01 AM
Ryan https://drive.google.com/drive... 10-04-2017, 12:58 PM
kiwijames Oh. References to the NZHS... 10-04-2017, 01:06 PM
Beavis Ok so pistols are recorded... 10-04-2017, 01:16 PM
Steve123 When they say "seized... 10-04-2017, 01:22 PM
223nut Good call 10-04-2017, 01:29 PM
Nibblet Had no idea any of this was... 10-04-2017, 06:00 PM
mikee I think you will find that... 10-04-2017, 07:42 PM
Tommy Welllll sort of, I'd like to... 10-04-2017, 08:37 PM
Sideshow Pretty hard to get an... 10-04-2017, 07:37 PM
veitnamcam Savage1 and Steve338 I would... 10-04-2017, 07:56 PM
Savage1 To be honest I haven't read... 11-04-2017, 09:21 PM
veitnamcam So why are the police issuing... 11-04-2017, 09:38 PM
Savage1 I'm pretty sure a gang member... 11-04-2017, 09:46 PM
Steve123 So why aren't the Police... 11-04-2017, 09:52 PM
veitnamcam OK fair enough on that point... 11-04-2017, 09:56 PM
Maca49 Savage the real problem for... 11-04-2017, 09:39 PM
stretch I'd love to see a televised... 10-04-2017, 08:00 PM
Sideshow One of the troubles they have... 10-04-2017, 08:41 PM
Beavis This is supposedly part of... 10-04-2017, 09:17 PM
Sylvester Do you know where this came... 10-04-2017, 09:50 PM
stretch It's all up on the official... 10-04-2017, 09:53 PM
Beavis Its been shared on face book... 10-04-2017, 09:53 PM
Moutere Thanks for posting the link... 10-04-2017, 10:01 PM
Carpe Diem Ok so total issues for the... 10-04-2017, 09:53 PM
stretch The inquiry asked the... 10-04-2017, 09:59 PM
outdoorlad I see in the Police assn... 11-04-2017, 09:25 AM
Danger Mouse Gaming the system? more lies... 11-04-2017, 12:38 PM
199p Send about 10 emails out to... 11-04-2017, 09:58 AM
6x47 After seeing that Police... 11-04-2017, 01:14 PM
Danger Mouse Did he actually say that? ill... 11-04-2017, 01:16 PM
systolic How will that work when he's... 11-04-2017, 01:41 PM
Danger Mouse IPCA complaint and complaint... 11-04-2017, 01:47 PM
jackson21 Yes, just watched it. He said... 11-04-2017, 01:49 PM
Danger Mouse ill contact paula bennett... 11-04-2017, 01:57 PM
jackson21 Even the TV host knows the... 11-04-2017, 01:59 PM
Maca49 Read and weep!!! They... 11-04-2017, 01:45 PM
Ryan ‘Daily reports of guns... 11-04-2017, 02:10 PM
Danger Mouse This seems timely; Undercover... 11-04-2017, 02:15 PM
Danger Mouse The thing that really grinds... 11-04-2017, 02:15 PM
223nut "police can't check the... 11-04-2017, 02:15 PM
systolic The police and their union... 11-04-2017, 03:01 PM
Danger Mouse Given the likely minimal... 11-04-2017, 03:07 PM
Koshogi Or investigating crimes, like... 11-04-2017, 04:03 PM
Ryan Supposedly. I have yet to... 11-04-2017, 03:39 PM
systolic I said 'can do'. Not 'did do'. 11-04-2017, 04:17 PM
outdoorlad They don't even have time to... 11-04-2017, 11:02 PM
veitnamcam Plenty of time for speeding... 11-04-2017, 11:08 PM
Ryan #passiveincome 11-04-2017, 11:31 PM
Maca49 That guy is not of suitable... 11-04-2017, 02:52 PM
Sideshow Had to laugh at that last... 11-04-2017, 07:24 PM
Maca49 Who is losing all these... 11-04-2017, 07:38 PM
Steve123 Last I heard Plod was leaving... 11-04-2017, 07:40 PM
systolic Retards who leave their safes... 12-04-2017, 12:44 AM
Ryan systolic Pity those Police... 12-04-2017, 01:04 AM
dogmatix If you can't be polite and... 12-04-2017, 07:04 AM
Danger Mouse Leave him alone, he has... 12-04-2017, 08:47 AM
Moutere Doesn't work like that buddy.... 12-04-2017, 10:08 AM
stug I did what he suggested and... 12-04-2017, 11:03 AM
Maca49 Mate 50k of those type of... 12-04-2017, 07:27 AM
Beavis Not much point trying to... 12-04-2017, 08:33 AM
Maca49 I say hot water, TVs and wi... 11-04-2017, 07:45 PM
Steve123 Maybe if they don't want gang... 11-04-2017, 08:01 PM
Maca49 Where do live grenades come... 11-04-2017, 09:30 PM
Sylvester No idea, should probably stop... 11-04-2017, 10:55 PM
Sideshow No I think the airforce... 12-04-2017, 10:56 AM
Maca49 The Air Force have hand... 12-04-2017, 07:15 PM
Danger Mouse I was in one of the more... 12-04-2017, 07:17 PM
Sideshow Don't no I was referring to... 12-04-2017, 07:19 PM
Maca49 I know, you know! Seems the... 12-04-2017, 07:32 PM
Steve123 Trout season! 12-04-2017, 08:01 PM
Ryan Thanks for replying to the... 11-04-2017, 10:20 PM
Danger Mouse The US and them divide is a... 11-04-2017, 10:38 PM
stretch I noticed in one of the... 11-04-2017, 10:54 PM
Beavis Abit of an aside. With these... 11-04-2017, 11:41 PM
Ryan That's right Beavis. ... 11-04-2017, 11:52 PM
Moutere I'd like to encourage the NZ... 12-04-2017, 12:10 AM
stug The dude in Dunedin was a bit... 12-04-2017, 11:47 AM
stretch COLFO's analysis of the... 12-04-2017, 01:10 PM
Danger Mouse From: Independent Police... 12-04-2017, 04:45 PM
dogmatix So you have to complain about... 12-04-2017, 06:07 PM
223nut Wonders never cease do they 12-04-2017, 06:31 PM
6x47 If the Police Ass'n is any... 12-04-2017, 06:41 PM
Danger Mouse Vision / Mission / Values |... 12-04-2017, 06:54 PM
Krameranzac Anyone from Napier? Here is... 12-04-2017, 06:54 PM
Steve123 So he's just regurgitated... 12-04-2017, 07:03 PM
Danger Mouse RE: complaint against Police... 12-04-2017, 07:09 PM
Sideshow :D Just finished reading the... 12-04-2017, 08:09 PM
Ryan Here's an example from South... 12-04-2017, 09:42 PM
bolty Perhaps he could go to... 13-04-2017, 06:40 AM
Steve123 I'll chip in a size 11 boot. 13-04-2017, 08:33 AM
mikee Now now chaps everyone... 13-04-2017, 08:44 AM
Savage1 Danger Mouse Cahill is not a... 13-04-2017, 12:37 PM
Ryan But he should - he is... 13-04-2017, 12:45 PM
Danger Mouse NZ police association needs... 13-04-2017, 01:10 PM
Sasquatch Savage1 I believe it was... 13-04-2017, 05:04 PM
Savage1 You need to learn the... 13-04-2017, 07:07 PM
outdoorlad I've sent a few emails off to... 13-04-2017, 01:01 PM
223nut Guys a think we need to let... 13-04-2017, 05:33 PM
Danger Mouse I actually appreciate the... 13-04-2017, 05:44 PM
223nut Very true, 13-04-2017, 06:22 PM
stug Agree, the Police staff in... 13-04-2017, 06:28 PM
Ryan Whilst I don't agree with... 13-04-2017, 06:40 PM
jakewire I am going to lock and clean... 13-04-2017, 07:45 PM
stretch Latest video address from NZ... 13-04-2017, 07:47 PM
Krameranzac Savage1 I would humbly... 13-04-2017, 08:02 PM
Ryan Everything said in that video... 13-04-2017, 08:09 PM
Danger Mouse Its the common theme of the... 13-04-2017, 08:50 PM
Krameranzac https://www.facebook.com/RonMa... 13-04-2017, 11:24 PM
308 I'll happily put my hand up... 14-04-2017, 08:42 AM
Krameranzac https://www.parliament.nz/reso... 14-04-2017, 12:39 PM
Krameranzac So looking at that submission... 14-04-2017, 11:24 PM
Sasquatch I am aware of the difference... 15-04-2017, 03:03 PM
Beavis To be honest I would turn it... 15-04-2017, 03:55 PM
Krameranzac And then there is this gem... 20-04-2017, 05:35 PM
oraki As I said in the other thread... 20-04-2017, 10:48 PM
veitnamcam Unfortunately I do believe... 20-04-2017, 11:32 PM
oraki I'm guilty if not taking to... 20-04-2017, 11:48 PM
Tommy I wonder how many people he... 20-04-2017, 11:50 PM
veitnamcam When the police overthrow the... 21-04-2017, 12:34 AM
veitnamcam How does the latest policeman... 26-04-2017, 07:56 PM
jackson21 Nothing apart from the upside... 26-04-2017, 08:52 PM
308 It doesn't It's a sad fact... 26-04-2017, 09:11 PM
Beavis Pretty much this. After... 27-04-2017, 10:19 AM
Sideshow Yep here here 27-04-2017, 10:25 AM
Keltic_Kiwi 67876 According to the... 27-04-2017, 12:12 PM
Ryan LoL "paws". 27-04-2017, 12:14 PM
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Krameranzac I wonder what technology... 30-04-2017, 04:25 PM
gonetropo you cpuld have HAL 9000 at... 30-04-2017, 04:51 PM
Sylvester Probably don't even need non... 30-04-2017, 05:08 PM
308 Nicole is ok 01-05-2017, 09:56 PM
308 Given what HAL does in the... 30-04-2017, 06:28 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by stug View Post
    Here is a copy of a letter I will send to my local MP and other politicians. Any advice on what to add, delete. Feel free to use it yourself. The more people that ask questions the better

    I am writing to you to find out your parties position on the recent Law and Order committees findings on the illegal possession of firearms.
    I am trying to work out which party to vote for later this year and your responses will help me with my decision.
    I am a licensed firearms owner and passionate hunter and shooter. I have read through the committees recommendations and have some concerns.
    I welcome recommendation 10 to make it difficult for gang members and associates to have a firearms licence, however most of the other recommendations seem to have a large effect on law abiding firearms owners and will have a minimal effect on criminals.
    Countries such as Canada have realised that a registry of licensed firearms is costly and impractical. The Law and Order committee also noted this, so why did they propose recommendation 11 to record serial numbers of firearms when doing security checks, and how will this reduce the illegal use of firearms? What will happen with the records of serial numbers? How secure will the information be and who will have access to the information. I have concerns that the information will just end up being a shopping list for criminals. Recent experience with Novopay and the Ministry of Social development having privacy concerns with their kiosks and the recent privacy breach with the providers of social services do not fill me with confidence.
    Recommendation 5, the requirement to have all firearms sales require a permit to procure will create unnecessary expense and not prevent illegal sales. Criminals will not go to the police to get a permit when they buy or sell firearms. I live in the country and I have had to visit the local Police station four times before I was able to complete a mail order sale and purchase form.
    The Police are already understaffed and under-resourced, their burglary resolution rate is evidence of this, so how is putting an layer of administration of firearms sales and security checks going to help this?
    I am also concerned with the Law and Orders committees recommendation 14 to get the Police to review the A category security standards. The Police have recently changed their “rules” around B,C and E category security requirements. This has caused major confusion around the country about what is a complaint safe and what isn't. Different Police vettors are applying their own rules and causing confusion and extra expense to legitimate firearms owners.
    At the moment buyers of ammunition need to have a firearms licence to purchase ammunition, and recommendation 1 proposes you must have a firearms licence to possess ammunition, so how is recommendation 3 going to prevent the illegal use of ammunition? Ammunition has no serial number or major identifying features. It is just going to add an extra layer of bureaucracy and expense to legitimate business owners and licensed firearms owners.
    I am also appalled that recommendations 14, 15 and 16 were put under the heading “Criminal offending with firearms”. How is the changing of security requirements or giving the police power to inspect A category security a criminal offence? I am a licensed firearms owner with A category security, how does the Police coming to inspect my security make me a criminal?

    In summary; how will recommendation 11 prevent the illegal use of firearms? How will recommendation 5 prevent the illegal sale of firearms? How will recommendation 3 prevent the illegal use of ammunition? How will recommendation 14 not result in extra expense to legitimate firearms owners and end up being a de-facto way of preventing firearms ownership by setting unreasonable requirements for security?

    I look forward to your responses to my questions and hope they will help me decide who to vote for in the upcoming election.

    Yours sincerely,
    Please excuse the plagurism but I have used the bulk of your letter Stu and emailed my local MP, the PM, Bennet and leaders of all other parties just now.
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