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Do you know where this came from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
It's all up on the official website. True story. The ones with (Private) in the title are/were the "secret" ones, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvester
http://bit.ly/2pk8za9
Ok so total issues for the community caused by firearms are trending downward. Cops by their own definition are seeing cut down rifles as the biggest source of hand guns and compared to population growth the total number of serious issues is downward trending.
So despite all the rhetoric things are getting better not worse. So hey do we want to change things?..
#Justsayin
I think the current statistics support the status quo not undermine them.
Its been shared on face book by the gun groups. No idea how legit or where it came from. Take it for what it's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvester
The inquiry asked the question "how are gangs getting hold of guns". The simple answer is that the cops have issued firearms licenced to 29 or so gang members! Yet this is somehow OUR fault!
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Thanks for posting the link Beavis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
The data certainly does not support the committees recommendations.
I see on TV1 this morning the Pol Ass Sec said that "firearm registration numbers" (he quickly corrected that to firearm serial numbers) would be collected at inspections to create a "registry" (didn't call it a database). Clearly registration is what they have in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
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Originally Posted by zimmer
Will be told by me in no uncertain terms to sod off if its tried.
I see in the Police assn submission he has referenced a couple of threads off this forum around E cat stuff, " how to game getting one" there submission is quite emotive.
https://www.parliament.nz/resource/e...04a485842f216e
Send about 10 emails out to different members of parliament last night, Not a lot but everything helps.
Gaming the system? more lies from the police. that thread is what you need to do to get your license, no gaming in it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
After seeing that Police Ass'n turkey on TV this morning, I emailed Breakfast to say he was plain wrong to assert you can currently buy any ammo without a licence.
No reply as expected
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Originally Posted by 6x47
Did he actually say that? ill log a complaint with IPCA if thats the case.
How will that work when he's speaking as the union president, not as a police officer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
If indeed, he said, what someone else said, he said.
Read and weep!!!
They didn't tell us about this. Read Australasian.
COMMUNIQUÉ
Law, Crime and Community Safety Council, 27-28 April 2016
The first meeting of the Law, Crime and Community Safety Council for 2016 was held over 27 28 April 2016 in Queenstown, New Zealand. Ministers from New Zealand, the Commonwealth and each state and territory with portfolio responsibility for law and justice, police and emergency management were in attendance, as was a representative of the Australian Local Government Association. The meeting was chaired by the Hon Nikki Kaye MP, New Zealand Minister of Civil Defence the (Emergency Management Session), the Hon Judith Collins MP, New Zealand Minister (Law Enforcement session), the Hon Amy Adams MP, New Zealand Minister of Justice (Family Violence and Community Safety session) and the Commonwealth Minister for Justice and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter-Terrorism, the Hon Michael Keenan MP (Law Reform).
On 28 April 2016, the Hon Rene Hidding MP, Minister for Police and Emergency Management for Tasmania, asked Ministers to pause for a minute of silence to commemorate the passage of 20 years since the events of the Port Arthur tragedy – to reflect upon the ongoing suffering of those mourning the loss of the 35 people who died and the ongoing distress of many who survived appalling physical and mental trauma. Ministers noted that the tragedy shaped the Australian community’s notions of trauma, loss and suffering and how these events resulted in an extended community recovery program which became the benchmark for similar international events in following years. Ministers reflected on the decisive actions of all Australian jurisdictions in developing and achieving consensus on the historic National Firearms Agreement, which is the envy of many countries around the world and agreed to again restate all jurisdictions’ commitment to maintaining a national consensus on firearms as embodied in the National Firearms Agreement.
[Session 2: Law enforcement
National Firearms Agreement and other firearms measures
Ministers noted a number of measures to deal with illegal firearms and the ongoing work of senior officials to update the National Firearms Agreement.
I suggest you download your own copy of the National firearms agreement to see what you government ministers and police policy makers have bought into. Note it is the Australasian police ministers council. Not the Australian police ministers council.
Below is the National Firearms Agreement Mentioned Above. Smoke and Mirrors. Possibly looking to start implementing here in NZ. AUSTRALASIAN POLICE MINISTERS’ COUNCIL
SPECIAL FIREARMS MEETING
CANBERRA
10 MAY 1996
RESOLUTIONS
1. Bans on Specific Types of Firearms
RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that all jurisdictions ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and
use of those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import other than in the
exceptional circumstances listed in paragraph 1.2 of the Commonwealth proposal (see
below).
para 1.2 The only need for the use of an automatic or semi-automatic longarm would be:
military;•
police or other government purposes; and•
• occupational categories of shooters who have been licensed for a specified
purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).
(b) that all jurisdictions ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed
to be banned from import.
Council agreed to implement its resolution via the following action plan:
1. All jurisdictions to ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and
use of those firearms banned or to be banned from import other than in the following
exceptional circumstances:
military use;•
police or other• government purposes; and
occupational categories of shooters who have been• licensed for a specified
purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).
2. All jurisdictions to ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed
to be banned from import.
3. The Commonwealth to ban the importation of all semi-automatic self-loading and pump
action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence
Category D, and control the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.
2. Effective Nationwide Registration of All Firearms
RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania immediately establish an integrated
licence and firearms registration system and that all other jurisdictions review their existing
registration systems to ensure that all systems are compatible.
(b) that these databases be linked through the National Exchange of Police Information (NEPI)
to ensure effective nationwide regist
IPCA complaint and complaint to tvnz laid. Bringing nz police into disrepute, and conduct unbecoming by lying to the public and government.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
and apart from that, even if it comes to nothing, they need to investigate. We get mucked around enough, the police can start doing some running around for a change.
Yes, just watched it. He said currently you do not need a licence to buy ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
Was this guy previously a Police officer? He seems to make it up as hes going....I'm sure he will end up in the Labour Party at some stage
He also said normal firearms users have nothing to worry about as changes will not affect them.....
Same guy published he wanted pistols, and other automatic firearms banned last week....
I'm sure Mr Cahill will be reading this...stop making shit up, you will keep getting caught out looking foolish.
Our firearms laws actually work quite well despite your "dirty politics" media misinformation campaign.
Yes they can be tweaked and this can be done sensibly with consultation of firearms user community to get a successful result.
ill contact paula bennett again and advise her that cahill is blatantly lying
Even the TV host knows the Law as she came back and repeated correctly the Law I think
‘Daily reports of guns found on gang members’ – Police Association President - TV News Video | TVNZ
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Oh don't worry about that, we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Cahill
The thing that really grinds my gears, is that cahill is a blatant liar, and there is no accountability. Yet for us, lose your license sonny.
"police can't check the storage of all firearms" Ummm don't know bout you folks but I had to get my safe inspected before I could get my licence :wtfsmilie:
That guy is not of suitable intelligence to hold that position, thats got to be a concern to all.
The police and their union want police to be able to do security checks at any time on people with A cat licences, just like they can do already with those who have B, C, and E licences.Quote:
Originally Posted by 223nut
Sounds like a good idea to me. One every 10 years when you know the guy is coming is hardly enough.
NZ First have increased security inspections as one of their policies too.
Given the likely minimal benefit of doing this for a cat holders, I dont agree with it. It would be far more productive to you know, ensure people no longer have firearms when their license expires. Like how it wasnt checked with jaan molenarQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Supposedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I have yet to have an annual check in 4 years - I even mentioned it to my AO last year during my last P2P - still waiting. Good luck expecting them to manage significantly increased volumes of checks!
Or investigating crimes, like burglary. Maybe improve on the <10% resolution rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
I said 'can do'. Not 'did do'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
And I'm saying that they don't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
do you do, the doo doo, if not, who do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
So let's task them with doing something else. That they won't have time to do...:wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Had to laugh at that last stuff article with the photo of the sawn off, title operation walnut :XD: guess that was one of "those unlicensed hand guns"! Not much walnut left on that though:O_O:
Who is losing all these firearms?
Last I heard Plod was leaving them in dunnies. Maybe if the pricks solved burglaries less shitheads would embark on careers as thieving cunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
I say hot water, TVs and wi fi removed from prisons.
Maybe if they don't want gang scum to have guns they shouldn't give them firearms licences. Try random warrantless searches on gang members and gang associates maybe? This Cahill prick is quickly evaporating the respect I have for Plod.
To be honest I haven't read all of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
In my opinion we have a problem with licenced people wilfully supplying weapons to non licenced undesirables, there is simply nothing that really discourages it. I personally know of a HH that bought 10+ AR15s over a few months along with a heap of other shotguns and had an empty safe when inspected and had no explanation for who had them.
Firearm possession amongst the criminal fraternities and incidents relating to it definitely have been on a steep rise in my area, it's becoming normal for them. I come across them often and have had them pointed at me and have mates that have been fired at.
I have only just read the summary, and the majority of it I agree with. I disagree with the permit to procure, no permission should be required, more of a electronic or simple form to notify where it's gone. Don't really agree with the 'make all semis Ecat' but can understand the thought process. Registering websites for sale of arms would never work.
Registration doesn't worry me, if they wanted m guns they would just come and get them.
I'm more of a 'what can I do to help' kind of guy rather than someone who sees them as the enemy. At a glance there was some very good points in that summary, re security and penalties etc. it certainly didn't look like the sky was falling to me but I haven't read the fine print. Having already having my E endorsement all this would effect me is by having some more paperwork out which is a bargain for some of the holes it will help to close. Except the P2P for all guns, that can piss off.
I'm doing this on my phone so I've probably left a heap out.
Where do live grenades come from? Army losing shit as well?
So why are the police issuing HH firearms licenses in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
Is not that a fail on the fit and proper for a start belonging to a criminal organization?
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