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Hey team,
I am in need of your recommendations, experience and expertise.
I have always been an 'ear pro' shooter (electronic muffs or ear plugs), but now I plan to silence the bigger boom sticks (my 308 at this stage).
In short what thread are y'all using for 30 cal rifles?.....
Does it matter?.....
Is there a more popular/common thread type? Do better brands/suppliers favour a specific thread pitch (metric/imperial) etc
Cheers legends, I await your wisdom!
14x1 is commonly used on a lot of hunting rifles, in reality it's about leaving as much meat as possible around the bore. More meat aroubd the bore means stronger basically.
Some heavier barreled rifles will allow 5/8×24
I have 14x1 on my 308 and 223 it seems to work well for me and is a common thread which can help if buying second hand suppressors.
That's my very crude take on it anyway :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
Yea I run 14x1 if the barrel will take it
Cheers, I was thinking about the 'meat factor' as a key consideration, good to hear it being echoed.
Ive got a 30cal soppressor with 14x1 I get every barrel threaded for that then the one suppressor fits all my rifles
that is my thinking, need to spread the love and save dollars where I canQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
@dannyb is spot on.
I've threaded all my own barrels, the 7mm-08 had a 18mm barrel so I went with M14x1. For and for my .22 rimfires I used the more old fashioned 1/2*20UNF as they only had 15mm barrels and the smaller thread allows for a larger shoulder for the suppressor to butt up against.
I have cut 7 so far this week and am tending more towards 14 x 1 for 30 Cal but generally go for as large as you can get whilst allowing for a decent shoulder (1mm min)
Depends on the barrel diameter but most will get to 14 x 1.
Cheers
Darren
There is also a theory that the more you turn down the barrel at the muzzle tip, the less constrained the steel is and you can get an expanded bore. Yeah maybe very small but that's the theory.
May apply more to button rifling than cut, I dunno.
Has anyone checked with pin gauges the bore before and after threading?
I checked and there was no difference after threading. I relive the suppressor and don't undercut the barrel thread, but I don't really think even that would make any difference.
It doesn't usually matter the exact thread size - what is important is the meat left on the barrel wall, the accuracy and quality of the job, squareness to the bore and concentricity with the barrel's bore (i.e. not on the piss or more meat on one side of the bore than the other) and also the amount of shoulder for the suppressor to contact on. Also it needs to fit the suppressor with identical thread specs and almost an interference fit.
Yeah the diameter of the barrel is what matters. From a mechanical perspective, the best thread to use is the fattest one you can use that still gives a good shoulder for the suppressor to tighten up against.
So that could be amything like 1/2x28, 9/16x24, 5/8x24, M14, or M18 depending your barrel.
Pommy is onto it. The diameter of your barrel determines the diameter of your thread. Subtract 1.5mm from your barrels outside diameter at the crown, then go for the next size thread under that diameter.
Thats the best size thread.
The yanks are doing their very best to "Standardise" on 1/2" or 5/8". If money is going to be an issue, choose one of these. Not the best choice, just the cheaper option.
I've had a barrel threaded in 1/2x20 and one in 14x1 and it cost the same?
@blip the cost would be much the same. Set up time the same all things being equal, same for the threading. It's such a short part even turning it down wouldnt take long
Simple . Just ask Friwi. Very helpful bugger. Rate him.
Think Jaco is referring to availability and price of the actual can , not the price of threading, and he is right most yankguns stick to 12x24 ( comes from m16/AR muzzle thread or 5/8 from m10/ ar10 whatever 7.62 is flavourful this year, so if u stick to them u got more models available, however yanks need paperwork for their cans. Expensive they claim and a lot of paperwork, but u can buy an AR ,at a swopmeet with no paperwork. Not a single can has been used in any of hhe mass shooings in the last 15 yrs. Go figure
Yes the yanks have to pay and get a $200 USD "tax stamp" for each suppressor and can be waiting several months, maybe even over a year, for the paperwork to get approved.
So you tend to see them buying one suppressor that they can use on multiple guns, with muzzle devices for quick detach and adapting to different threads. So it helps have as few threads in use as possible, to ensure maximum cross compatibility.
The bore of the suppressor is usually bigger than needed for the similar reasons. Buy a 30cal and use it on both a 308 and a 223, buy a 45cal to use on a 45acp and a 9mm etc... and just eat any slight loss in efficiency, rather than paying the government and waiting another year.
which is best...well I always say if your in north island,go get DPT to do the whole job for you,if in south island go to gunworks.... in saying that I have a waitaki muzzle forward that Im happy enough with,doubt I will ever kill it on single shot.
but all three you can go back to manufacturer in future... some might be fly shit lighter,fly shit shorter,fly shit quieter...but its a fly shit only difference.
dropping a grain of powder or two will make them much quieter no matter what can you run...its ALL swings n roundabouts...
Also worth noting the finer the thread pitch, the less meat removed to create the threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pommy
Just got my hands on a Mossberg MVP Patrol and not keen on taking the iron sights off. Can anyone recommend a muzzle forward can that i can still run the iron sights with?
However if over barrel is what im limited to then so be it. 5/8x24 thread
the waitaki can is heavy but bomb proof.....muzzle forward works well for me with the wee .222.
Could be worth the look, will also give DPT a call on Monday to see if their muzzle forwards will let me use the ironsQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Whats the patrol youve got. Ive got something similar in 223 wasnt expecting much but shit this thing shoots. I use mae suppressors they work well but a bit to heavy for most people built like a tankQuote:
Originally Posted by J-W-G
Aim sport triton is a muzzle forward can .I got mine for a howa scout but now use on a 30/30 I also have a mvp long range stock if keen for 150 pick up though.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-W-G
I got it in 308 for a bush/fun gun nothing flash but im loving it at the moment. Still need to run some ammo to see what she likes mostQuote:
Originally Posted by blip
Could be keen on the stock for sure. The LR one is wood right? Is yours a 223 or 308?Quote:
Originally Posted by m101a1