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This video the guy claims no one could soot sub moa with a hunting rifle while he was there. And goes on to claim the accuracy of a hunting rifle should be 1.5 moa.
I thought it was 1moa or less.
https://youtu.be/zK-Nkwl6ZQU
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All of mine are sub moa, reloads and factory ammo
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This target would beat his argument.
I guess his point is 1.5 is the min or average accuracy for a hunting rifle. But if that's what you hit on the range, you'd be worse in the field, and then extrapolate that past 100m.
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Most modern rifles are well capable of sub MOA accuracy, most people aren't.
Agreed. My Tikka Forest is definitely sub moa.Attachment 229817Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Most modern rifles are capable of sub MOA. Many shooters a capable of MOA or better from a prone supported shooting position. Few shooters are capable of MOA standing unsupported. Chuck in some variables such as excitement, weather etc and norms go out the window. It is all relative to the shooter and the shooting circumstances.
my two cents worth I would be very disappointed if my new rifle shot more than 1 MOA that really is the standard - and yes that is with the best support possible like of a proper bench etc for an older rifle such as a BSA BRNO etc then 1.5 MOA probably quite acceptable and many such as early Sakos Tikka,s Remingtons Shultz and Larsen are of course 1 MOA capable
The thing is like it or not a hunting rifle system (including operator) that consistently shoots 2 moa or less will work fantastic in the field
A 2moa group at 700 yards is only a 372mm, 14 .66" circle, 400 is only 213mm, 8.38" cut a bit of cardboard out that size & put it on a Red Deers shoulder.....
Obviously less is more & atmospheric conditions have a bearing on things but you don't HAVE to have a 1/2 moa system to have a great hunting rifle
I would suggest there is a real world difference between 1. MOA and 1/2 MOA may not seem much but it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Certainly for a target rifle but for a hunting rifle only if you are trying to shoot something in the eye or headQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
Its a good video and well worth watching
He is talking about the average not shooting 10 groups and picking the best single group, was a few days ago but im preddy sure he is using 5 shot groups, including the 1st coldbore shot.
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Any rifle capable of 2moa will take a goat at 300 mtr and thats further than >95% of hunters ever shoot.
Lots of basic lever guns straight from the box 20,30, hell 50 years old are taking deer every year so don't get hung up on it.
See it as a challenge for yourself. My 243 bolt is easy sub moa and I hardly use it as its too easy.
My lever should get moa but I'm often 2moa or worse as it requires much more attention to detail, hold, hand position, sling, butt tension into my shoulder etc.
Hence I use it way more but some times I would love to sit down on a bench with a good front and rear bag to see what it can do.
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My personal standard is for a one shot "group", as that's the one that counts. On game, after that first shot the rifles accuracy is far less important than the shooters ability to follow up accurately.
I've always been skeptical about his shooting...seems as rough as guts to me. Then there's that American insistence on measuring accuracy with a fast fired 5 shot group which you can't expect a thin profile hunting barrel to cope with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rn-85
If any of my Tikkas wander outside 1" cooling between shots then I'm having a really bad day.
if one has a rifle capable of 1 MOA or less but cant shoot better than 2-3 MOA then practice required and that can be an adventure in itself and can be a pleasurable one not a chore - now I was lucky at 16 I started with fullbore and smallbore and some hunting - those early experiences at target stood me in good stead for the rest of my hunting days - so if you cant shoot well get a good book on target shooting or you tube it and get out there and practice - a suggestion would be a damn accurate .22 with a good trigger rather than a heavy caliber to start with ( or 222. 223. ) and learn - great fun and the deer will hate you for it
First cold bore shot(clean or dirty 308 barrel) the only one that matters.
This is my priority alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Trout
Single cold clean bore shot.
But I will shoot a composite cold clean bore shot over a number of days.
I have the luxury of a 100m range out my workshop door.
I do shoot controlled rapid fire 5 shot groups just to see if the bullets walk at all.
This mainly because single shot rifles don't have free floated barrels and glass bedded actions
my early Nosler manual...number 3 has a speil about this....when sighting in FOR HUNTING (this IS the relevance) a really steady first round then 2 others as quick as you can simulates a REAL WORLD hunting type situation...stop and think about it before pooh hooing it..... if you can still achieve 1.5moa doing that..you doing really well...
that same manual has story of two chaps hunting groundhogs..one fella killing them well all day the other fella had lots crawl away wounded because he was using a more accurate load...but using match projectiles..moral of that story was a 3/4" group with expanding projectiles is more humaine than 1/4" group with ones that preform like a fmj.... a ground hog isnt very big compared to a deer so up your group size for bigger game appropriately
I always take manufacturers accuracy guarantees with a pinch of salt as I figure they are shot from a rest. I just want to know the rifle is more accurate than I am.
This is a pretty interesting video from MDT. They upgrade a Ruger American to get the maximum potential out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd11bfJc_PE
Cig packet group at 200yds good enough for any average hunt.The moa group that gun factorys advertise are shot in perfect conditions not hunting conditions.
This....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
A takeaway point that I got was that some peoples expectations or assumptions are different to the reality when put to the test.
A number of shooters on this board have proven what their rifle is capable of, but its just as likely that you guys are the exceptions and not the rule. I think the implication here that the average hunter buys factory ammo, goes to a sighting in range once a year and says 'close enough' and off they go. These guys are the largest demographic, and these are the ones who aren't shooting sub-MOA, as evidenced in this video.
Search for @gimp ‘s accuracy challenge and you will see almost hundreds of reasons why forum members cant post a few MOA groups.
By far the most efficient approach is to keep firing and adjusting till youve had 3 shots within 1.5 inches of your intended Point of impact then call it a day and go hunting and recheck once a year.
A lot of new hunting rifles CAN shoot 5 shot sub MOA groups but I bet few if them ever DO. Yet they are great rifles. How many people have actually shot the 3 shot sub moa with their tikka and how many have returned their new rifle because they cant do it ? 1.5 by the average hunter is bl**dy good and perfectly adequate for deer and such.
