So it's official we managed to get our ducks in a row and just got our new certificate as a registered shooting club, so we are pretty stoked to be able to have this in our community
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So it's official we managed to get our ducks in a row and just got our new certificate as a registered shooting club, so we are pretty stoked to be able to have this in our community
Good to hear. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by country cuts
That's great news, another asset for the shooting community is fantastic. Congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by country cuts
Great news
Hopefully the locals stop using the main street and the forecourt of BP as a range! Was standing outside the restaurant at the motel and watched a beat up old car scream up, boom boom boom then depart at warp factor 0.5 fishtailing as it went. Welcome wagons on the first night in town...
just out of interest is the small bore club at Murumuru still going shot at a hall out from Frasertown on way to lake - and is there still a Wairoa full bore club - won C Grade full bore Wairoa championships on the old range over the hill on way to Morere - but we are going back - late sixties early seventiesQuote:
Originally Posted by country cuts
The ardkeen hall is still set up and the .22 are still around but haven't been used in about 15 years, I know the range you are talking about it was the army training one haven't been down there but been told the remains of the range are still thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
well thanks for reply - one cant repeat ones young days can one - some great victory's for Barry at those clubs and ranges
My range is training everyone they can find as range officers to minimise the chance of a snap inspection fail or accident. We all have to be so careful with the new regulations so our ranges don't get closed down by fools doing their thing.
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
Where is the range and club going to be etc,
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Originally Posted by Eat Meater
Pretty much the way we are going too, hardest part is changing mindsets and getting everyone one the same page, most are welcoming and changing
It's on mangapoiki road it's called the mangapoiki rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by wazza56
Yep, GPRE are essentially doing the same thing. Not so easy given we operate over several locations and don't have a centralised club structure. But we have got (and are still getting) a whole bunch of our regular competitors qualified as range officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eat Meater
You are going WELL back :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
No, hasn't been one for at least 30yrs. You would have shot with Earl Brownlie?
In fact, there is no NRA range north of Napier until you hit Te Puke. Gisborne lost their range end of last season.
For those who think a "half arsed " so called trained R.O is somehow going to save your arse better think real Hard . Something is not better than nothing , the reason being if "something" happens the Police will be the least of your worries because whether you like it or not you are classed as a PCBU .
And Worksafe will be chewing your arse while examining your navel from the inside . I have been a fully qualified R.O for 30 years and involved with multiple different types of ranges for 10 years more . I also have a bit to do with Health and Safety in a challenging area and believe you me the paper work and all round bollocks is not enjoyable especially if something goes wrong . And investigations , no matter how minor are really not fun . And as the Heath & Safety man once said " I may not know how to do your job , but I will still tell you how you went wrong ".
Is it a clay bird club only
Claybird, rifle to 200m and pistolQuote:
Originally Posted by wazza56
The Health & Safety at Work Act 2015 is pretty clear on this - a volunteer association is not a PCBU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tankd
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Originally Posted by Tankd
@Gillie is correct, but if you are the duty officer on a range and someone is seriously hurt (or worse killed) you may still have to explain what happened and why the rules weren't obeyed or followed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Worst case scenario is appearing before a coroner and having to explain why Joe/Jane died when you were duty officer.
That's why I am a stickler for making sure the rules are clear, enforceable, and obeyed.
Unfortunately you are a PCBU , you take money from people to provide a service i,e to attend and participate in a competition . You also give "payment" by giving a "volunteer " free entry to other "competitions" , that is deemed as a gain and a payment . "Competitions " are held on a Commercial operation i.e a Farm and it does not matter whether money changes hands either, that means the Farmer can cop it too. And finally "volunteer workers" can still be prosecuted by Worksafe for "failing" in their duties .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Sorry @Tankd we'll have to agree to disagree on a couple of things here.
Again Section 17(1) and 17(2) of the Act is clear that volunteer organisations are not a PCBU. This is also clearly represented on the WorkSAFE website.
The further explanation provided by the WorkSAFE website clearly states volunteers can have their expenses paid by a volunteer organisation.
I absolutely agree with you that farms are considered a workplace under the HSWA and hence there are definitely responsibilities held by the farmer.
I also agree with you that "volunteer workers" can be prosecuted by WorkSAFE for failing in their duties but this is only the case where that "volunteer worker" works for a PCBU - which volunteer organisations are not.
In my specific case, GPRE is treated as a PCBU and we have clear processes in place laying out clear responsibilities for landowners, match directors, officers on duty, range officers, competitors, and spectators. But almost all the clubs are volunteer associations and therefore do not fall under HSWA.
You admit you are a PCBU ,therefore how can you claim a "Volunteer Organization" status somehow exonerates "Volunteers" when Worksafe says clearly that they can prosecute them .Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Worker
A worker is an individual who carries out work in any capacity for a PCBU. A worker may be an employee, a contractor or sub-contractor, an employee of a contractor or sub-contractor, an employee of a labour hire company, an outworker (including a homeworker), an apprentice or a trainee, a person gaining work experience or on a work trial, or a volunteer worker. Workers can be at any level (eg managers are workers too).
I hear what you are both saying so let's clear somethings up, when we say we are putting as many through as we can if your not suitable or don't understand then you don't get signed off. 30 years experience as a R/O that's awesome but instead of being Mr negative or cynical why not offer some better wisdom or knowledge, everyone has to start somewhere. Let's keep the thread on track were trying to promote a positive here as we have all been kicked in the guts with all the new rules and regulations and are all a little over it, thanks for the input and positive feedback team