What am I doing wrong???

In the last month I have shot my 338 Edge a bit at 100 yards and have found that my point of impact has been moving around. It was originally zeroed perfectly for 100 yards, but often it will shoot low and sometimes to the left (1-1.5 inches), then every now and then back at zero. The rifle is a custom build by KG and we have both shot some pretty impressive groups with it, so I don't think it's the rifle. I'm assuming it's to do with how I am controlling the rifle under recoil.

I shot the 6 shot group the other day. The first 3 shots went low and to the left(I pulled one) - I was using a harris bipod (with podlock/spikes) and an accupod in place of a rear bag and I felt it was bouncing a bit so I took it off. I then shot the last 3 shots off a rear bag and POI came to the right and up.

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I've watched @Norway s DVD which I thought was really good. Given that I am left handed, am I 'pushing rifle forward with shoulder' or 'pulling grip or trigger' or......???

sorry should have rotated pic (left is up)

Bench rest it, bagged front and rear with a big bag behind the butt so you don't lose it when you touch it off. No body contact other than trigger finger. No palm, nothing, just trigger finger. If it don't group, the bedding has let go, or your load has gone awry.

I would also get someone else to shoot it at the same time. If you say you and kg have shot good groups, maybe your anticipating the recoil and developed a flinch?

Send it to me, I have never shot an edge before.

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Originally Posted by Nibblet

Send it to me, I have never shot an edge before.

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And we were just talking about that on Sunday.

As these 2 groups were shot with different rear rests, I would suggest throwing the rear monopod in the bin and shooting again, with the rear bag, concentrating on your basics.

Make sure you're loading the bipod evenly and not too hard (I think the spikes are a rubbish product), straight behind the rifle, no muscle tension, consistent position, natural point of aim

I'm with gimp throw the mono pod away........for ever.
Its is obviously something two do with body position, @Norway may be able two tell you.
As long as its behaving at range who cares what it does at 100, I have a rifle that would group like that at 100 and yet do sub 3 inch groups at 700 all day long:)
hope you sort it soon.

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Isn't it this??


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Should have bought a Tikka.

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Isn't it this??


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Buggered if i no, but if someone posts it up the other way well have a target with holes all the way round it:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Should have bought a Tikka.

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That won't help him shoot. Natural point of aim or more consistent pressure on the bipod or something

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Originally Posted by gimp

Make sure you're loading the bipod evenly and not too hard (I think the spikes are a rubbish product), straight behind the rifle, no muscle tension, consistent position, natural point of aim

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I could be loading the bipod up too hard and possibly not evenly - I find it uncomfortable to keep my shoulders square with the rifle.

Can someone explain natural point of aim to me?

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Originally Posted by Rich007

Can someone explain natural point of aim to me?

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Problem found!!



Natural point of aim = rifle naturally resting with point of aim on the target, when in shooting position. No muscle required to be on target.


Bipod spikes allow too much bipod pressure to be exerted by people who don't understand why they're leaning into it, and allow cross-tension to build up easily if making adjustments in position without lifting the bipod

I think to a large degree you answered it in your explanation. Consistant pressure/body position/recoil resistance/vibration/bounce. How dpes it shoot across your pack?

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Originally Posted by gimp

That won't help him shoot. Natural point of aim or more consistent pressure on the bipod or something

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Drop a few harden up pills and just smash round after round till your no longer scared?

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Originally Posted by Nibblet

Drop a few harden up pills and just smash round after round till your no longer scared?

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Blame the wind and build a bigger wildcat

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Originally Posted by gimp

Blame the wind and build a bigger wildcat

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Weren't you after a 338 Lapua Mag :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Weren't you after a 338 Lapua Mag :thumbsup:

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Nah just wondering why it's not a factory chambering since it *ought* to fit an R8 with all the giant safari cartridges it comes in.

The rifle is a build - but what of the shiney glass thingo on the top?

So I went and had a few more shots today......
I used a rear bag and I focused on staying relaxed, natural point of aim and allowing the rifle to recoil in a line from the target evenly through me (if that makes sense). I shot this 3 shot group (thumb tack is the aiming point).


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As you can see the group is a lot tighter and a lot closer to my original zero than my last groups - with no change in the scope settings.
Encouraged - I adjusted my scope 1 click up and 1 click to the left.
And......bang on

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Thanks heaps for the advice guys (esp @gimp)! I think I was tense trying to do all the things I had learnt about watching Norways DVD. Now I just need to do some trajectory validation and some LR practice and I'll be all set for my Tahr hunt next month :D

Oh and my 10X42 HD-B's arrived today - What a great day!

@Rich007

We need to organise a bit of LR fun before I bugger off again early next month.

Nice shooting too ;)

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Originally Posted by Rich007

So I went and had a few more shots today......
I used a rear bag and I focused on staying relaxed, natural point of aim and allowing the rifle to recoil in a line from the target evenly through me (if that makes sense). I shot this 3 shot group (thumb tack is the aiming point).


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As you can see the group is a lot tighter and a lot closer to my original zero than my last groups - with no change in the scope settings.
Encouraged - I adjusted my scope 1 click up and 1 click to the left.
And......bang on

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Thanks heaps for the advice guys (esp @gimp)! I think I was tense trying to do all the things I had learnt about watching Norways DVD. Now I just need to do some trajectory validation and some LR practice and I'll be all set for my Tahr hunt next month :D

Oh and my 10X42 HD-B's arrived today - What a great day!

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Cool.

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Originally Posted by Pop Shot

@Rich007

We need to organise a bit of LR fun before I bugger off again early next month.

Nice shooting too ;)

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Yeah definitely. You still got my number?

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Originally Posted by Pop Shot

@Rich007

We need to organise a bit of LR fun before I bugger off again early next month.

Nice shooting too ;)

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Keen:)


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@Rich007 - Yeah I do mate, free most of the time at the moment. Will flick you a text.

Fly out early next month... more than enough time for @BRADS to organise something. I've never fired anything bigger than a .300wsm haha.... ;)

Good shooting! It's always nice to smash through a performance roof and take your shooting to another level.