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Ok we agree on that so how about sharing a little on your longrange shooting and cartridge/calibre/projectile/rifle combination you are running and what distance/atmospheric conditions do you find your chances of a first round hit slipping away from you.
Mofo hot days coupled with high atmospherics are a prickQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Im using a Sako 85 Finnlight 7mm rem mag with the newish Soft Touch stock, and one of the great rem mag accuracy loads of 72g of ADI 2217 (pushes the 162a-max to 3050fps.)
Breezy days 1000yrds can pull you up pretty quick, but if its dead still early morn or late afternoon those 1200yrd Sika on Ferny Ridge suffer heavy casualtys :thumbsup:
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Nice Andrew. I have always wanted the SAUM in 7 mm. Got a model 7 in .308 with an HS precision stock that could do with a make over.
I have to come up one day to have a look at some new country.
Some of the gullys and hills there would make a interesting converastion about what happens with the wind .For example if it is coming over the top of a hill into a valley say at 10mph on the top how much do you loose of the wind at the valley floor if shooting up the valley and is the valley changing the original wind angle by much by a funneling effect -of course all is dependent on width and angle for the wind to navigate
This video has bullet trace and some mirage to view for those that havent seen much -always good to have visual aids
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Come up any time you want R93, bring your 308, Sika are great fun to hunt. I have some new lookouts cut this year and they are producing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
The model 7 in saum is a winner, I loved mine for the Kaweka high country, light as.
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And enough grunt to smote redskins
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They are great fun. I have fluked a nice eight but it lives in turangi somewhere. I have not seen it since the eighties. It will not be a .308 by the time it gets up there mate. It will be a poofter new latte cal or 7mmsaum. I want the 7mm if it is not to hard to get the magazine sorted.
I will bring the little .260 IMP so I can sneak around the scrub as well.
With respect guys how about having your conversation on another thread and keep to plan on this one
Go 7mm, saves you from having two latte calibers.
My pictures had wind in them...Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Terribly sorry. I will refrain from posting on your threads in future.
you guys have been on other forums -quickest way to ruin someones thread is post images that dont relate to wind and mirage and talk about your sticky grip rifle .This is about building information for others to read about Mirage and wind -add to if you can or learn and ask releant questions and someone may help you unless you have finnished the journey of learning ???
No ones finshed there mate post up some more vids of you videoing yourself woffling about on an on yo have a few vids on youtube talking alottttttttttttttttttttQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
to much spare time? make us a vid with your wind findings that will keep you busy:thumbsup:
it is a shame Tui_man2 you find a subject like this not worthy of adding to -I would ask is this forum just like at pub to you , chat with the boys tell how big your dick is and go home all proud having accomplished nothing -I would well imagine new shooters will be incouraged and helped by you to evolve this sport and forum !! Yeah right
So far there are a few interested in this subject but it appear most are haters and tall poppy cutters that have little to nothing to offer ???
Dont know what pub you go to there in auckland mate.......but what ever floats your boatQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Everone has there own ways of doing things thats what makes good shooters an average shooters
New shooters shouldnt be trying to go far enought for a start for these things to matter, so would be a case of learning the basics first
Wind and Mirage are the basics and the sooner you learn to use them to assist you the better .It appears several here feel uncomfortable with this great topic or the fact it has been posted ?? As this forum grows from friends to unknowns these topics will be asked about often -I am pressuming you guys want this forum to grow and have great info on it ??????? .
I am about helping people especially new shooters or those that know less than me hence this post -if you guys know it all add to the thread .
There are many good things on the net that one can post so you dont need to write a book or do a film if you have an offering that says what you want to portray- you dont need to envent the wheel or feel that you are cheating by publishing sound findings done by others .
I dont go to the Pub in Auckland and currently I dont drink -Charnui English breakfast tea milk no sugar with a dash of classical music to relax with
They might be basics but if you cant hit the arse end of a barn out to 500m then in the real world you dont have to know about wind an mirage as the distance you will be shooting they wont matter enough to miss anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Mirages has never bothered me much for the target shooting days cant give away one easy way to limit that.......
Wind just look at the vegetation arond like what has been posted it takes time to learn an like i say people get use to things different ways, a with long range cals you can limit this to some degree also
I dont visit the pub much either but know how to have a drink or 2
Thats where you IMHO are wrong, wind and mirage are not and should not be considered the basics when it comes to LR shooting. If they were, everyone that could shoot a reasonable group, say MOA at a 100 would be LR competent.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
I have seen most of the posters on this thread shoot LR, they are above average shots and have heard good things about most of the others from those in the know. I have only read that you are any good from your posts. You are coming across as a little elitist on the subject, which is fine but maybe a reason the thread has not been added too by others.
you and others would rather hate than help other shooters -move along and gas with your pals and brew up jelousy , tall poopy syndrome and hate -itll get boring pretty quick -me I will focus on this thread and those that are enjoing what has been posted so fa and hope some positive people join in on it and give their opinion and knowledge -haha elitist and boring --oh god I think I sharded -do you feel challenged by me not being a part of your click and being out going R93 - you could see the latest Guns and Hunting magazine I think I get a mention for my shooting ability on "that day"-How about you , you any good?? I never forget though hero to zero zero to hero -its just the way it goes .
Now how about we stop this small minded shit and get a good thread happening again
That awkward moment when elboringchoo realises hes just a plonker.......
Best keep off the piss Tui_man2 you can spend more on ammo ! I am a target shooter if you like in that I dont hunt .I shoot alot and anyone that shoots with me shoots a fair bit to .We have newer people out to shoot and theyre not thre to shoot 50-100 yards unless hunters -I expect someone with a rifle to know how to point and shoot -getting the other bit correct like trigger pull , natrual pont of aim , breathing , how to use their scope doesnt take more than a few lessons to makle them understand what is required -its upto them to perfect these things in time .From there they want to know why at 300 yards they can hit the small gong on a windy day --well you can imagine I dont keep the good oil from them .Quote:
Originally Posted by tui_man2
After these things are passed on and understood it is up to the individual to ask for advice or practice what has been taught -problem with alot of hunting folks I have met they just dont shoot enough .Something I have found funny about many is they all say their rifles can shoot "basically"a one hole group-always amazes me
How should I reply to you Bob -Ill give you some advice for free -go to grabaseat.co.nz/ buy a ticket and take a holiday away from your small mind for atleast a week and then come back and we can talk further
Burning some up now, I'll send them out on Monday:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Im on holiday now, im sorry but I just dont apreciate the way u come on here an abuse long standing members and post and talk like you own the show... Its a good bunch on here thats come here from the other place to get away from people who know how to use the keyboard abit more than their abilities and certain politics.... Your more than welcome to become part of this what id call a club I suppose... Just dont come around posting as you know it all.. Spark a discussion sure, we are here to help each other and share our knowledge... I do however know that the guys here are pretty close and also keep in touch via text and phonecall.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
We have a place where we can yarn away as if were at the "pub"... Actions such as to tell members not to post as their posts are not following your tight guidelines obviously dont work for you.....
Put it this way... Think like were at the pub, uve had abit much to drink... Thats ok we all do.. So go home think about your actions and come back tomorrow with a smile on your face and embrace our culture... Else go back to your old pub and stay there....
I dont read magazines mate, I load them. Pointing out that you have had mentions in magazines is rather pointless and insecure? Seeing I dont know your real name, I dont need too either as I am not interested sorry. I dont really care if anyone thinks I am any good or not. I have done all right, I had a rewarding military career and have had you in a way, pay for most my LR training which is comforting and sort of amusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
I admitt to coming across elitist on some/many subjects as well El b I dont mean to be, its just the way it comes out. If I am pulled up on it I am not going to get too wound up about it.
I most likely lack your abilities at LR target shooting El b but I am sure I could hold my own in most other regards. As I have said before, I will refrain from posting on any of your future threads.
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Originally Posted by R93
Get back on track guys
Id be lucky if i spent 40 a week on piss i get most given to me anyway, i dont really see the point in shooting lots when you are happy an know your gear i shoot steel also with friends an to confirm an to try an push it a little but i wouldnt try to shoot animals that far as i know my limits an there can be few things to go against you, an putting a second round in something 700+ is not ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
wait time the middle of month an me an your mate baldbob will put you up a wee vid:P
And the rest of us cant? Oh, sorry you need a mention in a magazine or some other random endorsing you. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
R96 this isnt about you or me it is a thread on Wind and Mirage not who can piss the futherst - I would welcome your post most definatly and as you can see trying to get you guys to post but am takin flak for it , which doesnt faze me at all really in fact I find it humorous but I would rather we posted some good stuff about the subject matter even if you find it on mars I dont care as long as it moves us forward in the learning process !! My name does not matter as I possibly will never meet any of you but have met some and shoot with others .And thank you R93 for your good millatary service and I dont mind a bit that my taxes were spent on you as it was a good investment -I am from a millatary family myself as my father was the longest serving officer in the RNZN
Id appreciate that Tui_man2 cheers
I just checked. I have not even undone my fly. I have made no claims on my ability, only mentioned the lack of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
I dont know if the rest of you can shoot but some of the people i have shot with have proven track records which i use as bench marks against other shooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
These people do it for jobs and their lives and makes me feel like a learner with their skills and knowledge they have which i sometimes have the privlidge of been shared with me.
Thats what competitions are great for they weed out the b/s and are great levelers of over confidence of ones abillty .
A nice freindly get together would be well worth while for some interesting l/r shooting!
Cheers Andy
I guess we differ greatly -you want a general chat forum with mates and nothing to serious or technical -start with wind and mirage and end up with recipes for making brownies -sensible , helpful and youll learn to make brownies but for get about the wind and mirage and forget about having stuff there for people that want to find this stuff out as you Tussock just want to gas with the boys- shoulda had that in the FAQ and we could have avoided the night of the living retards LOL:thumbs:
Andy I look forward to shooting with soon and will call -like the sounds of the Pheasants down the road from you and would love to run a dog for you - next comp I wanna beat you next time baddddddddddddddddddddddd
Ok? How do you do LR for a job and your life unless you are military? There is only handful that can attest to that. Seriously, I am curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyanimal31
R93 Andy has friends that are very qualified shooters and the day he beat me at the "GUNSLINGER OOOHHH BAD WORD shoot his good made was calling his wind -he was the Senior Sniper Instructor from around his way -satisfiedQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
HAHA your dragging this off topic just about more than anyone else there cheif
If you attend an do all this shooting a vid to tell us how to do it wont take that long?
News for you ELb. There is NO such thing as a senior sniper instructor in NZ. And if anyone has told you that, they are most likely a wannabe pouge idiot that has never dawned a gillies suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Pm me the persons name please. I will confirm this further in minutes.
Also the day he beat you at GSlinger? Seriously? were you 2 the only 2 there?
Lets see him show up in grey.... Hes welcome to come give us a lesson how to shoot... He can have his own wee competition in the corner against us while we all compete in a friendly manner and take the piss out of each other..
Hey abe 1st shot on the steel 1146m wit the 6.5 wasnt it lol