I have been surf casting the west coast for years and not once caught them on a traditional bait. That's not saying you can't as I have seen other people get them on squid.
I always throw 2 rods out. One with crab and one with squid or similar.
Crab will only catch eleys or rig the others will get spikey dogs or greyboys with the odd random in there.
Might be why there in close in the first place. Just looking/feeding on shellfish.
You don't have to cast far for rig at home.
Never tried tua tuas or pipis. But we don't really get them where I fish in any numbers.
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