mate...you are stiposed to be head shooting them for instant decapification and well bled carcass so you can enjoy the cubed up back straps on that BBQ you walked past.
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mate...you are stiposed to be head shooting them for instant decapification and well bled carcass so you can enjoy the cubed up back straps on that BBQ you walked past.
I prefer them slow cooked in red wine until falling off the bone..Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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Interesting, so you could make a .45ACP case out of .223/5.56 brass.
Someone somewhere must have a mother of all tables, with what cases can be made up from what.
yes cordite there is one of then tables out there....ask uncle google.
wingman,that looks superb,a good merlot I hope???
No, I think I had a brain fart on the first post and wrote .45acp instead of 9mm as I had the factory 1911 pistol chambering in mind. The .45acp brass is much fatter.. the .45acp case can be made from .308 win brass though..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
The .223 brass will make 9mm pistol brass at a pinch.
The .22TCM is made from cut down .223 brass and has a thicker brass in the neck dimensions than the .223 rem case does because of the thicker brass in that end of the case.
If I had the coin and I didn't have to reload (lol) I would really like to have one of these.
@Cordite ... and now I quoted myself in an unrelated comment instead of yours..
its been a long day :roll:
A french exchange student who was placed with us several years ago made this the way her parents did back home. The french make a big thing out of hare and how she did it was superb. She made me catch the blood and not give the liver to the cat, they were blitzed up and added to the casserole at the end to thicken it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
I looked at uncle Google and stumbled on this. You learn something new every day...that you'll never need to use:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8KmWCTWCEo
@Flyblown killing some steel plates with the .22 TCM this morning...
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I thought I’d better wear my safety glasses in case the bloody thing blew up.
Gotta say this is one helluva little cartridge. I said to @Wingman its like Begbie out of Trainspotting. Small, fast and very very violent. Clinically accurate. Talk about maximum bang for your buck. What a sweet rifle.
I always liked ‘em short and slightly wide in the right places. This ticks all the boxes. Every man should have one.
Very cool little round & rifle set up, I was going to do something on the KW465 action to as I like them a lot, 22 Spitfire (5.7mm Johnson) 221 Fireball might fit I thought, what about the 5.7×28mm FN, how does that compare or has that already been talked about ?
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Originally Posted by Scout
The mag is the limiting factor on a Brno ZK465 build, it is made for the hornet diameter case so fireball and spitfire are out. both of these need to be built on a .222 or .223 action.
like I said at the start of this thread, I was wanting to build a .22 with a bit more performance than the .22 Magnum and it needed to be a centre fire so I could reload for it as .22 magnum ammo is crazy over priced for what it is.
5.57 X 28 was actually the cal I chose to begin with but after trialling the ammo is a lot of different bolt action mags and rifles I found it wasn't going to be an easy build. The 5.7x28 case has a tiny .25cal acp case head diameter so a bolt face bushing would be needed on even a .22 hornet bolt and it would mean making a custom extractor of some description.
Savage actually announced they were making a 5.7 bolt action varmint rifle on their model 25 series frame back in 2011 but it flopped and they pulled the pin on the project for reasons they wouldn't share.
I very nearly ordered all the dies and chamber reamer to build one on a Brno 465 as the cartridge fits the mag and would only require the bolt face and extractor mod with the new cambering.
A 1-14" to 1-16" twist rate would be the best for a varmint rifle build, sticking with the 32gr to 40gr varmint bullets.
5.57x28 is objectively nothing to get excited about, it does a little bit more than a rimfire .22 magnum by pushing a 40gr v-max to 2350fps in a long barrel using a max charge of about 7.8gr of the powders Ive tested in this thread so sits somewhere between a .22 magnum and a .22 hornet.
The 5.7 brass is also much thinner and plagued with split necks and other loading issues of small bottle neck cases.
Subjectively, I think its a kinda cool round but it will never set the world on fire.
That said, believe it or not not everybody needs to be able to shoot past 300 yards or wants the noise of the bigger cartridges. Some of us even use rimfires to that range.. imagine that! :thumbsup:
.22 TCM, 5.57X28, .223 Rem
https://i.ibb.co/1ZMD4ZZ/TCM-FN-Rem.jpg
That last photo puts it into perspective, the .223 looks like a giant.
Yes its a midget compared to its parent case .223rem. Its not till you have a few in your hand when you realize just how small but potent they are. 3400fps with 40gr is not to be underestimated.
Its been the most fun Ive had with a centerfire in ages.. from long range hares to starlings and mynahs exploding at 120y in the paddocks its is just crazy fun.
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I must admit using a .222 in the last few days has been a pleasant surprise, easy to shoot and no louder than my suppressed 6XC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
not that I'm looking at building somethuing like a 22TCM any time in the future! that just looks too much like hard work.
Ha thanks for that, I can cross that off my list, just I really like the ZK465 & I have had like 10 or more 22 Hornets (2 right now) over the years & keep selling them as they don't work hard enough but like some of the small actions, hence I have 6 Vixens L461/A1 to right now, going to do a 357Max rimless on one of them soon !Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
when you say about the Hornets @Scout ' they dont work hard enough ' do you mean they dont hit hard enough or have enough range ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
like yourself i am a big fan of the Sako Vixens . . .. sadly only have the one in 222R
I sort of mean both, I like the rifles more than the caliber, keep picking up the .222 or .223 more now days, but the Hornet is still cool to have, I use it more for the job it was intented for now days also, the new to me Sako in 17Rem might get a run now, if the barrel comes up or it will become the .357Max !
if you could get the same or close to the velocity with decent accuracy as R93 gets with his K Hornet you would be nudging .222 performance .. . worth consideringQuote:
Originally Posted by Scout
2900 fps with 55gr projectile
3000fps with 50gr projectile
3100 with 45gr projectile
3180 with a 40 gr projectile
I keep coming back to this build thread day after day, I am still liking this little build. Great stuff. :thumbsup:
Hell those are some great speeds alright, I don't normally chronograph my Hornet loads only my big guns, I never had the heart to K one of my nice old girls but thought it looked like a nice cartridge !
Just remembered I have another Hornet in the draw, Sako M78 action, no barrel or magazine yet, was thinking of .17 Ackley Hornet but could try the K Hornet with those loads ?
Give the K a go[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
I haven't had my K Hornet all that long and I bought it with lots of brass already formed.
So far all the brass is holding up really well. I have no idea what it has done previously. RWS performs the best in my rifle.
I am also only running a 19" barrel so I would think you would likely get better performance with a longer one.
I will try a longer one in a K Hornet on my 465 when the current one wears or I get an itch.
I did all my development over a radar in the summer months and my velocities drop slightly during the cooler periods. They are not what I would call hot loads. I have had all projectiles I use going faster.
I used the 55 hornadys clean shooting deer but pretty much anything of solid construction will tip them over head or neck within 100 yards out of the Hornet.
I get thru a lot of 40 vmax and blitkings
Mag length is a bummer as I get better accuracy with both 40 grn projectiles loaded longer but obviously cannot fill the mag.
Loaded to mag length I still have fun on small game out to 300ish.
I have just bedded the 465 which took a bit of nutting out as they do not have a conventional recoil lug.
Have seen a slight improvement in accuracy but haven't mucked around with it enough yet.
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After a boxing day gong shoot with a mate, the last of my 40gr blitzking and Vmax loads were spent so I spent the morning loading up 50 more 40gr Hornady Z-max for the TCM and finally got around to mounting a larger optic on it.
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I fitted a 10X44 Tac Vector Optics Marksman and bore sighted it.
Fired 1 round at 100y and it was spot on for elevation but 1" right. I dialed the left windage correction and fired 3 shots.. got to love those single shot sight in moments! :thumbsup:
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The .22 TCM finally got its deserving make over..
I re-head spaced the Shilen barrel onto a new 527 Varmint action with a laminated stock and a 5-25x56 TVO scope.
This is now my switch barrel rig with a .223 24" heavy varmint barrel as well.
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And just for fun, a 16" compact lightweight carry rifle version
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I didnt weigh it but probably about 5.5 to 6lbs.
This combo will be for sale in a very lightweight carbon/kevlar stock as soon as its finished.
A thought regarding Alliant 300mp, it has a tendency to statically-stick to all-things-plastic (through some powder-throwers & funnels). I had some scares years-ago, with the same problem (different powder). Graphite is your friend ! anyway, Great Stuff, I envy your skills and lathe--The Ultimate Toy ! Very engaging thread..
Quick update on the lightweight version.
I have enough CZ527 bits around to put together another rifle for someone who may be keen to try this cal.
I am using the Shilen .22 TCM barrel on my 527 laminate varmint rifle now do the older test action has been made redundant.
I also have a feather weight composite stock from High tech specialities in the US Legendary Arms Works
just sitting under the bench doing nothing. It is super light was a bit rough so decided to get creative with it.
Ive always wanted to give the reptilian camo job a go so what better test subject?
https://i.ibb.co/H73Cvgw/Montacticalcom-600x337.jpg
Normally done in FDE and desert tan but I wanted to give it more of a grey muti-cam snow look so mixed a bunch of greys with flat white and matt black.
Its a pretty complex multi layered camo but it was a fun exercise. I threw down three base colours with some highlights then some reptile scales by using the oil cooler stone guard off the Ducati as a stencil :D
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Using A4 blank sticker sheets I cut out some stencils and laid them up..
Another darker grey and some black shadows..
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Added a few more highlights and softened some of the hard shadows with another grey tone and its all done.
Not every ones cup of tea Im sure but at least I can say Ive done that one now :thumbsup:
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I dropped the TCM test action into it with a compact light scope and the 16" .223 rem barrel and it is one light little carry rifle. handles like a .22LR. It weighs a tiny 5 lbs-12 oz.
https://i.ibb.co/cDVnN73/20190118-103936.jpg
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To keep this .22TCM thread on track Ive made it a switch barrel.. Rather than let the old TCM test barrel go to waste I threw it back into the lathe and profiled it down a bit lighter with a bit more taper and cut it back to 16".
https://i.ibb.co/56hqSb3/20190118-160510.jpg
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While its a little heavier than the carbon barrel it is still a light handy rig and still shoots over 3000fps with the 40gr V-Max's.
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I have duracoated the TCM barrel matt black and baked it so 99% done.
https://i.ibb.co/fDjh74F/20190118-214333.jpg
I should have some more TCM dies arriving from the US this week so Ill put this one together as a package with some dies and brass once I modify another mag to feed the TCM rounds.
Thats a cool rig! Stock turned out great.. might give that a go myself :)
Are you going to offer it for sale, I'm very interested.
Nice mate - like your work
Yes, but I still need to make another TCM mag (unless someone wants all the mag bits I have as a project) and land the reloading dies.Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
Bit of info for those who are keen on this little round, I was in Gunworks today and they had about 4 packs of 50x 22TCM brass for sale. I was surprised how small it was, really need to see in flesh to appreciate it.
Yip $50 per 100 pieces. Amanda ordered in about 500 pieces for me, I have about 300 left here too. She also has some Lee dies in stock for it.
I have the chamber reamer if anyone wants to play with this wee fire cracker.
So tiny but packs punch!
I might just take you up on the offer. Need something for my boys and this seems to be just what I need.
Thanks
That one sold.. happy to chamber in tcm for anyone with a suitable rifle though. Found the 1-14" best with 40gr bullets so .222 sakos, brno's, Rem 788s, Tikka LSA 55s etc make for great donors. It is a very short cartridge so feeding from some mags can be problematic.
yip,I well remember this thread......really impressed the heck out of me the first time I read it,you are indeed a talented man.
