thinkin of building one.
I have a rem700 carbon stug stock sitting there doing nothing. So a rem700 short action, and a barrel... but unsure of which barrel to go for.. twist rate, length, will be to run subs out to 250-300 is possible.
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thinkin of building one.
I have a rem700 carbon stug stock sitting there doing nothing. So a rem700 short action, and a barrel... but unsure of which barrel to go for.. twist rate, length, will be to run subs out to 250-300 is possible.
They usually run really quick twist barrels 1-3 I think
wouldn't you also need to get very soft 338 cal bullets. (Guess the very fast twist helps with expansion)
Most 338 bullets are deigned for the higher velocities of the larger powder burners.
At least with the 35 and 375 cal's you can get pistol bullets and cast lead.
Not to say that building an 8.6BLK would not be a talking point and you would have the only one at the range. ;)
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I think the boys at Dead eye Dicks were playing around with 338 subs a few years back
There's a couple of sub 338 you can get, around 300gr, and apparently the 1.3 twist bbl is not a necessity, and as "high" as a 1.7 will be fine. I was thinking if something around 12-16insh long, 1-7 twist and then finding a reamer would be the next hard part l guess. But I'm all for it... rather build that than a 300blk :)
@Larskramer Vulcan do a 338 1:9" barrel
You will also need dies and a reamer
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too slow of a twist... would prefer a 1.7Quote:
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Would be interested as to how quiet one would be.
The bigger the hole in the suppressor the harder it is to keep quiet especially if running a short barrel and heavy for caliber projectiles.
pac nor and x-caliber barrels both do fast twist
faxon does a prefit for the rem700
yeah even a 1-7 isnt fast enough for what I want 1-5 would be great and 1-3 is working to the design
they went as fast as 1-1 at Q
dead eye dicks made me a 338 whisper about 12 years ago. Very quiet and with the 300 g bullet the deer just looked up when hit walked a couple steps and fell over. The bullet tumbled in side and made a big mess and drove right through a side on shot
mmm 338BLK it would be a thing of beauty
I had a Rem700 in 338WM and used to shoot subs out of it. I still have the mold for 220grain projectiles
I think we have already discussed the thing here with wingman .
1 in 9” will stabilize your 300 grainers subsonic even at a 1000 yards.
I saw those videos regarding the super fast twist, unfortunately it seems that lathe turned copper projectiles can only be shot through those fast twist barrels as the rpm are too fast for conventional projectiles. So you are looking at Lehigh type projectiles . Not the cheapest.
The cast lead projectiles should work in a 1 in 9” at a guess, but again in a very fast twist barrel it might not be that great.
Are dies and quality brass available at all?
Hamish at nzmilsurps was bringing some of these in. Not sure how far away they are.
Yes, I hunted with a .338 whisper for many years with good sucsess. The parent case was the 7mm BR necked up to .338.
I shot the 300gr subs on paper at 1000y with @Friwi and they were still very stable.
Back in the early production days of whisper we ran custom Shilen 1:8" twist .338 barrels with 300gr SMKs. The long bullets kill by tumbling after impact not by expanding.
I also ran 160gr Barnes tipped bullets at super sonic speeds which dropped many goats.
I later built a few on Trueflite 1-9" twist barrels too and they were still stable with subsonic 300gr smks and Bergers.
The 1:3" twist is a total marketing gimmick and would cause serious pressure with anything other than subs and the bore fouling would be horrendous. Useless for anything other than a cnc copper $5 gimmick bullet
Hahaha true story... I stopped into dead eye dicks today and low and behold a 338 whisper with a shillen barrel was on the stand for sale... let's say I didn't put a deposit down on a new action today
Let me guess... a Remington 788 with a full overbarrel MAE suppressor?
Nope, rem700, shillen barrel, hardy suppressor.
Oh? Probably my old rifleQuote:
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Not sure, was in a factory rem stock. I got it home threw it in a spare stug stock and threw on a vx5hd
I dug out some old pics and load data for you.
Back when I could get them I ran 350gr Wildcat bullets for subs that were crazy accurate in the Shillen 1:8".
Found a bit of load data for you too, when they stopped making rem 7BR brass I used small primer Lapua .308 palma brass which lasted much better. 6.5 Creedmoor brass would be even better now. The 6BR brass is a bit of a stretch for .338 and ends up with very thin necks which requires a tight neck reamer to get the accuracy from.
Notice the 300gr subs (.300gr lapua bullets in this case) still hold 820fps at 1000yds with a muzzle velocity of 1000fps! Dont under estimate this beast.
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Thanks mate, I'll take some pics soon and confirm it's the same. No load data came with the rifle but there are some handloaded subs and red tipped supersonic ammo.
I will give my opinion after the roar in the south , but to date I simply love my FIX , I have been developing sub sonic & Ultra sonic loads for the FIX from the Faxon website .
It is very expensive to purchase components for in NZ , You can buy new Alpha brass & I so far I have developed loads - Barnes TTSX 185Grn -32.4 gr of Accurate 1680 average MV 2215 groups well.
Sub sonic loads to date are Maker 350 -16 grn Accurate 1680 MV av.1002, Peregrine 280gr 15.6 grn Accurate 1680 yet to test . please dont start with my loads , I am not a expert in this field , old just a hunter .
After shooting a 300 win Mag with 200 grn Percision Hunter the FIX 8.6 is about the 243 cal level of recoil, and so dam hush . There is lots of YouTube videos out there and naturally some haters who probabaly arent hunters , that's what it was designed for , The owner Kevin is a partner in Crusader game park in SA , the Q-fix is used on Water buffalo and warthog and all other species - My effective max. shooting distance I will ensure is under 150yds , and normally thats a long shot in the roar on reds Oldbushy
Grant Ward at sales@tacticalimports.ca has imported some , but with our $ being only about 55c in the USA $ they're expensive , but I just love my new toy
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See that's really interesting.
Have just refunded my Fix back to Grant as it would not group less than 4 MOA with .308 , after all sorts of different handloads and over $500 worth of factory ammo - What a bunch of convincing that took , Supposedly the Holy Fix Rifle could do no evil.
It wasn't until other issues popped up with the rifle that Grant was convinced to give me a refund - Namely the trigger pins being so loose they would fall out and a certain other aspect of the rear end of the rifle I will only mutter through closed teeth occured.
I liked the fix , but for what it was and what it was worth , I wouldn't pay that much for what is essentially a bolt action AR10. Especially not given the performance I was getting.
Yes , the barrel and mounts and everything else was torqued correctly.
Have you had a look at the owloptics website? I believe he made one as a project and was also selling some components for awhile
I might be selling my 8.6 black barrel soon. It is a trueflite but with 1 in 9 twist built on a tikka. ( so simple barrel swap over ) It stabilises 300 smk and 280 peregrine at sub speed.
