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I had a quick look this arvo. One bag of what looks like #5 CAC ( pronounced 'Cack'). A further search is required as these are boxes that haven't seen the light of day for fifteen years + there is a Lee Load all as well. Perhaps it can be re-bushed to 410 ??Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Not interested in shipping lead across the globe as Ive done that before.. the only way to make that economical is by the container load.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Happy to take tje shot off your hands if we can get it here cheap enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Any one else closer to me got some old shot in the shed they would part with? #4s #5s or #6s
Have you got a 6-32 tap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
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Im pretty sure I did.. its missing in action.. I have a 5-40, 8-36 and 10-32Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL
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Cool, what size is it?
#5 apparently
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Nah I respect all my firearms too much to shoot steel in any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
Barnaul don't produce or sell steel shot, some reasons given on this page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
They make .410 and 12G reloadable metal cases which look like brass on the images, but could be washed steel. I doubt they'd promise so many reloads in a steel case though.
So, what's next, Suppressor and sub loads, a la "No Country For Old Men" ?
Wow - very, very neat and informative! Thank you for posting the pics and info. Always cool to learn something.
Nah "been there done that".. on to another 6x45 projectQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Yes I knew that and my comment stands. I dont shoot steel cases in any of my firearms. Brass only.Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
Same goes for steel shot..
i now consider you the .410 shotgun GOD! any plans to market?
Thank you my pagan friend..Quote:
Originally Posted by nowool
No plans to market anything? I listed all parts used and where to get them if anyone else wants to use brass in their .410g bores. The brass can be fire formed from 9.3x74R and .444 Marlin, no dies are really needed.
The rim thickness is not an issue on the brass but some .410 chambers have a radius on the front side of the rim rather than square so the brass need to a radius to lock the action properly. This can be done in a lathe, drill press or even a cordless drill with a file and some fine sand paper.
It doesnt need much, just basically enough to take the sharp top edge off.. pic is of an un-modded 9.3x74R case on the left, the middle one has had a radius filed and factory hull on right. The important part is that the action locks up fully.
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my old winchester single had deep rim recess and short firing pin....SOME fiocchi loads had primer recessed and it wouldnt fire them.... the bakail has no such issues. my insert doesnt either as mean as machinist turned it up perfectly.
That is some fudd stuff. If it's steel proof or modern it can handle steel shotl and cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
Steel case is so cheaply loaded for factory ammo that you will actually save money in the long run by shooting steel case. More than enough for a new barrel.
Unless your dies can't handle it there's really no reason not to use them.
Spent some time developing loads today as some more components turned up from USA.
I fine tuned the load of H110 for a 1100fps with 3/4oz of #5 shot.
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Also worked up a 11/16oz load with my new max wads.
Amazed how 0.1gr of H110 can make such a big difference in velocity in this little shot shell.
I started low as there is no data out there for these wads in brass cases. 1.5gr above book max for Super X hulls got me on the right track much like I did for the 3/4oz load then I slowly walked it up to 1200fps by incroments of 0.1gr at a time (1200fps is the same as Super X factory 11/16oz 3" loads in my gun)
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Very punchy little load! I will pattern them both once I find a bit of cardboard big enough.
Loaded up 12 to fill my belt pouch for evening walks.
The neighbor has a heap of pigeons on his stock feed pad at the moment too so I will go test them out in the next few days.
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@Wingman, how are you getting along with the skyrats at you neighbours place?
he no longer has a problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
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man I hoped you breasted them all out......heap of good eating there....was that all .410???? or did you break out the .12ga and clay loads???
Nah I was just winding Tommy up, this was actually a mate of mine with his Edgun .25cal PCP.
I jumped 3 of them from the maize feed lot and the others never came back.
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PS: I dont own a 12 gauge, they are for beginners ;)
Ahahahaha crack up
there is video clip on the net with a fella taking ?doves in Argentina? with a bow and arrows.......puts a lot of shotgunners to shame.
These guys normally get a free pass around my house but this one was pushing its luck at the base of my trees..
#4 roll ya owns put him down instantly
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Sharing the .410 love with another 300+ brass cases made this weekend
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I've been led astray by a gentleman who's formed a pile of .410 bore brass for me... so I've started on some black powder loads.
- large pistol primer
- a scoop of black powder (about 35-40gr)
- 2mm stiff cardboard firmly pressed down
- 5mm felt
- a scoop of mongrel shot from the bucket (1/2oz)
- 0.5mm card glued on top.
These'll be for shooting on close-in steel targets, so not fussed about good patterns, I'll have a crack with some good shot later.
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I also had a go at some smokeless loads with Win 296/H110 and 3/4oz #7 shot. Had some trouble igniting the powder until I pushed a thick card over the powder - but couldn't get the chrony to read my shots, will have another crack next week.
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looks like fun.....I take it you HAVE TO use 1/2oz for the steel targets???? 3/4oz is just better in everyway.... it SHOULD work well with black powder as it wont be honking along.....but that said be aware the wee 410 is more sensitive to change than any other guage...all of mine have hated #6 shot with vengence but #4 lovely tight patterns...best of all is a mixture of all sorts of sizes....
look forward to seeing more of this....
Nah, I was just being lazy using the same scoop, more is always better - plus I'm after fun, light loads with a big boom for kids to shoot.
yip ok that makes sense....old black powder rule of thumb is same volume of powder to shot.... cant see any black powder load being hard kicker from what Ive seen in 45/70....60 grns home rolled is still mild as....feels like a 410 I have been known to say.
Yes the brass cases definitely needs a nitro card rammed over the powder to keep consistent ignition. Even when I use a plastic wad I still use a thick nitro card as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smallfoot
Did you get a chance to try some cork tile wads? Did you end up having to round off the front of the rim to get a good action lock up?
The Cork tiles didn't punch out cleanly, they crumbled a lot - I'll need to make a thinner walled punch.
The action l locked up on about 80% of the shells, but I've rounded off all the rims so they're ready for any other shotgun.
My #7 didn't pattern well beyond 10m, so I've cut up a few old 12ga shells to try different shot sizes.
There's a lot more case capacity after the first firing, so room for a more felt buffer.
All my 410s have patterned best with #4s and #5s. The 11/16oz load in the 3" long plastic wads pattern the best followed by the 3/4oz load with the felt wads.
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...oads-that-WORK!
oh boy will this wee nugget of gold open a can of worms when @Wingman sees it......
Ive been testing some 1 oz loads in the .410 3" brass, so happened to have the little shotty handy when this little guy appeared this morning. I have chickens and ducks sitting on eggs so it was double satisfying to flatten the little shit.
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That’s a trophy
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I hate those things, had to share a flat with a pet one once. Horrible
Ive fireformed 303 British to 410
Works great
But a forming die is definitely a better way to do it
I form my 38/50 rem hepburn brass with just a 375H&H expander ball installed in my lee universal de cap die
I would do the same for 410 but lee don’t make the right size expander ball
