Thread: Straight pull ak

ive begun building a straight pull ak with no gas piston and on paper this is acat because it is no longer self loading but im now being told "once a semi always a semi", and im to far into it to bail now, any ideas? cut the gas block off and weld it so it cant be reconverted or argue the point with the cops. any help would be appreciated

Originally Posted by slobster

ive begun building a straight pull ak with no gas piston and on paper this is acat because it is no longer self loading but im now being told "once a semi always a semi", and im to far into it to bail now, any ideas? cut the gas block off and weld it so it cant be reconverted or argue the point with the cops. any help would be appreciated

Build one out of parts so it's never previously been a semi.

get your e endorsement instead so you can own a proper rifle

"once a semi always a semi" seems a bizarrely illogical idea. Is that just the opinion of a local arms occifer or from higher up the chain?

Seems pretty obvious to me that if it can't reload/cycle itself then by definition it isn't semi-auto.

Pretty sure the arms act/arms code doesn't say anything about 'firearms which used to be semi-automatic'. Instead of MSSA it must be MSUTBSA.

It's pretty clear in the arms code that an e-cat is for MSSA (military style semi automatic). So if it's not semi automatic...then it's not an MSSA. Can't be any clearer that that.

But like removing a bayonet lug, your conversion would have to be permanent, and done in a way where you couldn't simply pop a gas tube on and you're back to semi again.

I'd just do it, you know you're in the right.

Kj

Originally Posted by kimjon

It's pretty clear in the arms code that an e-cat is for MSSA (military style semi automatic). So if it's not semi automatic...then it's not an MSSA. Can't be any clearer that that.

But like removing a bayonet lug, your conversion would have to be permanent, and done in a way where you couldn't simply pop a gas tube on and you're back to semi again.

I'd just do it, you know you're in the right.

Kj

A big +1

But a e endorsement sounds even better

I did see an SKS converted to a pump action not long after the sks rifles started coming in. This was well before the MSSA fiasco started. The owner did it because he was a lefty and did not like the shells coming across in front of his face. So he made it a pump so he had time to fire, then reload after the gas has gone. His accuracy was pretty good too. I put it down to no moving parts will rifle is firing. But he did have to fair slam it shut each time and it was hard on the fore arms and noisy as hell.

Try have a pump action AR type rifle so the precedent has clearly been set.

Primary extraction would be my only concern, but once the first few millimeters have been moved, the action should cycle freely. I know that on the times that I've jammed a semi (only my mini 14 ever jammed, the rest ran sweet) it almost required a block of wood or soft hammer to get it open.

Kj

ive cut the piston clean off so no way in hell it can be semi if they decide to have go at me for it, also just picked up a few 30rnd mags to go with my new straightpull rifle

It will be sweet. The law only applies to semis, so you're 100% within your rights to have as many bullets as you like in a manually loaded rifle. Post pics if you get time, love to see how you've done it.

Kj

I've done a couple of straight pull AKs, did mine with virgin barrels, ie no gas port drilled.

I've shot many ARs without gas systems in testing some of my projects, and I'll tell you now it sucks balls to get a case out generally. As someone mentioned, the primary extraction basically doesn't exist.
I've got 8? Different calibers and all but the straight wall cases generally need a mortar.

Why??? Is more to the point ???
A bolt gun in a chassis stock would be 100x better if looking for a AR/AK feel, but 30 rounds in a single shot......