Thread: S43A Form (Firearm/Ammo Mail Order)

Just to stir things up some what, you can use skype to sight the license as it is an admissable comunications medium in court.

Originally Posted by jim160

I see the arguments for not giving the number, but the AO is the one that issues the form, so you can chose to argue it and they may not complete the form. Cause no where in the law does it say that the AO must complete the form for you.

Police, as public officials, have a duty to carry out the functions that they are paid for. Refusing to perform their duties is likely to be nonfeasance, and can court action can be taken against them.

Originally Posted by Walker

Just to stir things up some what, you can use Skype to sight the license as it is an admissable communications medium in court.

@Walker

So, I want to buy, say, an A-cat SKS, from you. Your suggestion is interesting. How would you see that working by Skype? I'm particularly stuck on the necessity to "sight" the buyer's FAL?

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Walker

So, I want to buy, say, an A-cat SKS, from you. Your suggestion is interesting. How would you see that working by Skype? I'm particularly stuck on the necessity to "sight" the buyer's FAL?

I would say that skype would not suit. The licence could be a good photocopy with letters added and names changed/altered and you would never know.
I would guess that the Police would say its unacceptable.

An easy way to find out is ask the Police if it complies.

It's a 'grey' area I think, the wording of the whole act is ambiguios. It say's you must sight the license but not 'how' you sight the license. With current tech. you can see the holograph thats printed on the License which is there to stop counterfitting. As I said it's out there. how about a photo copy of your license thats signed by a JP as sighted? There are quite a few options that comply with the law.

@Walker @jim160

Would a really good camera substitute for sighting a document (I don't know if sighting it is sufficient, do you actually have to examine / handle the FAL in detail?). A legally recognised personal interaction is a different matter and Skype has its niche there.

I can see the Police system of checking your registered address too when doing the forms adding to security of the mail order form system, but then again that is not a legal requirement, given that this is not an issue when buying firearms/ammo in person.

One option is, if you send the FAL itself (not a copy) to the seller for inspection, and then front up on Skype for him/her to eyeball that you indeed look like the person in the photo, that would seem to do. It could be helpful for someone without a local readily accessible police station that is actually open, read rural.

Must say, I prefer my local sports shop to order in stuff for me, including stuff from on the Gun City web site.

43A Mail order sale of firearm or ammunition
(1)
Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who sells by mail order a firearm or any ammunition for a firearm or restricted weapon otherwise than pursuant to a written order—
(a)
signed by the purchaser; and
(b)
bearing an endorsement signed by a member of the Police and stating that the member of the Police—
(i)
has inspected the purchaser’s firearms licence; and
(ii)
is satisfied that the purchaser is a fit and proper person to purchase that firearm or ammunition.

Question: is an online purchase which is completed by a legal personal meeting (read skype interaction) a "mail order" sale?

And there lies the question! Personally I'm not going to try it.

@Walker,

Safest ground is if both ordering and purchase is completed via Skype.

And me neither - such a setup would have to be initiated by dealers. It would cut a lot of time waste by NZ Police processing mail order forms and de-disadvantage rural shooters.