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Should be 2023
Shit, oops. I am dyslexic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synthetic
So how will the register "make it easier to identify the small (?) group in the community who might be in possession of firearms for illegitimate or criminal purposes" ?
Do these numpties really believe this stuff?
I doubt anyone belives this to be it's purpose. It's intention is to make confiscation easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger 888
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
lets say you registered a rifle but later on you lent it to a mate long term would they also confiscate that even though its not in your possession at the time if you ever are unlucky enough to have your licence revoked?Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
/puts on my Eric Idle voiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Ranger 888
Because once they register their firearms the Po po will know they are breaking the law, and if they don't... then they will also be breaking the law.
It hath been spoken from “the pulpit of truth” in Wellington so (sadly) most of the unenlighted public (Joe or Jane voter) will swallow this (bullshit) as fact. The biased journalists/press will make sure the “unenlightened” are frequently reminded of this “fact” (lies) regardless that it is incorrect and misleadingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ranger 888
I can see how it would discourage the small number of licence holders who engage in trade of used arms to non licensed or criminals.
That's the only benefit I see. Otherwise it's going to cost me money and they will no doubt limit the number of rifles I "need" at some point.
Think you'd find the ones who wish to pass on to "non licensed or criminals will "forget" to registrar the items needed. Probably well stocked prior to registration deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longrun
Hmmmm! It concerns me greatly that there are only two options for providing the information (use the website or phone). I have an absolute personal aversion to using the website and I feel that providing the information via telephone exposes us to the operator on the other end of the line mis hearing, mis inputting or plain old suffering from dyslexia and fucking up the detail. I have no issue with providing the information in printed form to the arms officer at the local Police Station but I feel this to be unnecessary as I provided a list eight months ago and nothing has changed so all I ought to need to do is say “refer to the information you should already have on file.
hmmm-I read recently somewhere that word is it could be another major election issue ,aside from NZ first patronising statements that is.Use of SAPS computer systems is dubious. jobs for beige Bridget and and binary bungling Sebastian 'ooh sir but you must tell us how many black guns you have,oh you racist youve curdled my latte. to this out fit -get your sahit sorted before you demand i sort mine OK.
24/6/23
2+4=6, 6, 2*3=6
666.
It's a sign!
if its over 30 days you have to do a transfer to your mate, so technically its no longer yours, its your mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by matthewhall2912
But if it happens within the 30 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Percy Jones
well SOME of us have done it multiple times over the years WITH POLICE KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL.... hold onto mates guns when situation at home is a bit on the dodgy side.......family member a bit off the rails.... domestic situation turned to custard.... got pissed and been a dick in public...... made suicidal comment once too often...... licence has expired or renewal hasnt come through yet..shifted house and hasnt got locable storage sorted yet...partner doesnt want guns in house(arguably time for new partner).. moving over seas for year or two.... which brings up the many firearms in long term storage lockers/containers while owners are off on the big OE.... cant see them being registered anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Percy Jones
Greetings,Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
I have been thinking about this lately. There seems to have been a porous wall between my son's and my gun safes recently. Under the previous legislation this was no problem. At the moment I am using one of his rifles for F class 600 yard shooting. We will need to decide how we manage this ahead of 24/06/23 as movement after that date will need a transfer and this will trigger registration of all the other rifles for both of us, something I am not ready for.
GPM.
I wonder how the system would cope if there were two rifles with the same serial number and caliber . Like 2 Lee enfields or two “Mauser”
The only reason I can see the register do is finding out if someone is passing guns onto people of dubious character, but what do they do when said person rings the cops and says he’s/she’s been broken into and robbed? I’m all for good law but don’t think this will help when popo are to scared to knock on gangs doors.
I’ll comply and try to be an upstanding law abiding citizen but I know I’m not the only one who can see this won’t make a spot of difference.
I will comply as far as the law requires. Why anyone wouldn't comply, or would behave in a way that draws attention to themselves through being cute or obstinate is beyond me. Complying does not mean agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2post
Dont draw attention to yourself is key to having yr rifles to keep hunting.
I will comply as a law abiding citizen and responsible firearms owner. I don't believe it will lower gun violence and the crims will continue on their merry way. I will be waiting awhile to comply though as there are many issues raised on here that are valid concerns .
I think this legislation has a lot of water to go under the bridge yet.
Unfortunately "Complying does not mean agreement." may be true of the register, however it's not necissarily true of all things. It's easy to see how the register could be missused against people who dissagree or don't comply with whatever the latest "requirement" is from the authorities.
Oh shit, NO!Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
I think the advisable thing to do (and I suspect most will) is to sit back and watch & wait unless compelled to comply. There is much chatter that the back-room boffins have told Police that the Register is not ready for launch (June 2023) but being an Election year much pressure has been applied to go-ahead anyway. Given the range of people who will have access to the data-base the first Security Breach is only a fingertip away from happening and it will. On a second note, Do Not under any circumstances go on-line and enter the details yourself, as there is no paper option, for security reasons, use the Phone-in method (o8oo xxxx) so that it is Police staff entering the details. When this turns into the massive cluster that we know will happen they will be looking for any and all excuses to blame LaFOs and incorrect Data Entry will be one of those. In short they created this, let them do the work. (My ten cents worth...)
I have no issue complying, it’s what normal law abiding citizens do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
My comments are my musings about how to stop criminals getting guns, If the register stops one person getting hold of a gun then it’s worth it. I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.
I see it more as a political decision.
My comment was in support of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2post
Once you "trigger" the registration requirement by
A/ buying ammunition
B/ buying / selling a firearm
Dont you then have 5 yrs to complete the compliance process I dont see where it says immediately.
How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?
A lot of places now take your licence details when you hand it over to buy ammo now. I'm not sure if its legislated now or just plain arse covering!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeetshooter
A register can never stop one person from getting hold (illegally) of ANYTHING, never mind that it might be a gun. What will stop them is adequate security that is only known to you and the vetting officer who approved that safe-keeping arrangement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2post
However, that small piece of information can, conceivably, become a shopping location/list.
[QUOTE]I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.[QUOTE]
The Canadian "authorities" who had their collective heads placed firmly up their arses spent something like C$2billion and achieved didly-squat, whereupon the resister was abandoned. Oh yea, that was money really well spent. NOT!
And now we have the NZ police union stirrer crying foul that ACT will throw a piece wishful thinking out: something that has been shown,time and again, to achieve NOTHING, apart from becoming a "sink-hole" for tax-payers money.
[QUOTE]I see it more as a political decision.[QUOTE]
Absolutely correct. And come election time, some of those politicians will, most definately, be replaced.
Don't know, but according to the wording, it's not till 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeetshooter
Very common, both firearm types used a single letter prefix followed by up to 4 numbers - this was repeated when they got to Z9999 starting back at A0001 or A1 depending on armoury. In the peak of production, the cycle was repeated several times in a year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
Can we presume that by 2025 each ammunition purchase will be registered against your name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Growlybear
41Initial obligation to provide information for registry if activating circumstance occursQuote:
Originally Posted by Skeetshooter
(1)
This regulation applies if a person is a licence holder under the Act immediately before subclause (3) or (4) applies, and, on or after that date, the person—
(a)
applies for a licence or an endorsement under the Act; or
(b)
has a change to the information relating to the circumstances specified in Part 1 or 2 of Schedule 1B that is relevant to the person; or
(c)
has responsibility in relation to any event specified in Part 4 of Schedule 1B; or
(d)
is subject to compliance or enforcement action by the Police under the Act, including inspections of storage security and arms items, warnings, improvement notices, temporary suspensions of licences, and criminal charges under the Act; or
(e)
purchases ammunition after 24 June 2025.
QWhere did you see that bit please?Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
OH I found it
(3)
In the case of an individual firearms licence holder, the obligation in subclause (2) applies to an activating circumstance that occurs on or after 24 June 2023 and the licence holder must provide the relevant information specified in subclause (2)—
(a)
within the time frame specified in Part 5 of Schedule 1B (if applicable); or
(b)
in any other case, within 30 days after the date of the activating circumstance.
I won't be doing it before I have to.
Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeetshooter