As per their website ammunition is not going to be required to be registered.Quote:
Originally Posted by schwen
Currently retailers have an obligation to record details for ammunition sales. Similar to what they have to do for firearms.
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As per their website ammunition is not going to be required to be registered.Quote:
Originally Posted by schwen
Currently retailers have an obligation to record details for ammunition sales. Similar to what they have to do for firearms.
Now it all makes sense to me why the shops told me they are all low in ammo.
There is a reason why there is a magnetic strip on the back of the new licences , one way or another it will relates your licence with the ammo you buy.
Just future proofing I think. Using that strip now would mean that they've got their act together and we all know that won't be happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
and what makes you think that no firearms license holders don't have dyslexia? I know I have the misfortune of transposing letters and numbers so with all the firearms owners entering data whos to say any of the database will be correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.
Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.
I won't comply until forced to, I had planed on importing a rifle this year but will hold off now. I handed in my AR in the last few days of the buy back, so will do the same here.
I have zero faith that the information in this register will be safe and certainly won't be in the first batch of guinea pigs to test it out.
Not to mention the level of contempt shown by the Police and politicians for the past 3 years doesn't exactly give me enthusiasm for doing as I'm told.
Hopefully we see a change of Government and I won't need to register them at all.
The main issue with this risk is once the leak has occurred and the addresses are out in the wild, it doesn't matter if the affected owner moves as the next occupants of the house are at risk and completely unaware of why. The address is potentially permanently marked as a 'firearms source' once a breach occurs. I think this has been found overseas with various types of registries - a registry is a 'snapshot in time' list and yesterday is not a predictor of tomorrow and once a breach happens the outdated list remains outdated but 'out in the wild'.Quote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger
Also, it won't help prevent crime, it won't solve crime - it's literally only a control tool. Arguably the level of offending vs level of lawful safe ownership as a purely cost/benefit based analysis would show that the cost and risk don't provide a level of benefit that is being claimed - but in all honesty the level of administration provided over the last decade obviously does leave a lot to be desired. The records of importation permits being claimed to have been lost, the leak of hard data from Auckland, the loss of data after the 'buy back' plus many other issues that have arisen with licences misprinted or sent to the wrong address, permit errors, lost applications etc etc show that it doesn't really matter what is implemented in terms of registration as it won't be accurate or reliable enough unless it is funded and resourced correctly with appropriately trained staff with the right background and experience to identify and correct errors as they are found. Hiring staff with no firearms knowledge will not allow this to happen at all...
The company doing the registry for the cops ticks all the right boxes as far as website security goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger
Devil's advocate, a lot of companies 'tick all the right boxes' and still have people that make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
True - but these are things like independent assessments and certifications which give them significant credibility. Just to be clear, this is right up my alley in what I do for work. And from what I read I would give them a thumbs up.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Well, that's relief then. I can stop worrying now.:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
US military was the same. Again, devil's advocate and the certs are the same as the registry - a snapshot in time and what happened yesterday doesn't predict tomorrow unfortunately. WOF for cars is another example...Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
who are THEY???? in theory the police COULD..but a retailer shouldnt have that information..so it would be only able to happen if police do a double check after sale is completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by schwen
Sorry if I'm repeating anyone's question here, but what the hell is an "Arms item"????
Is a Beretta hat one of these? A reloading die? Where is the line I wonder. I couldn't find a definition on their strangely developed website (that looks copy/pasted from some other unfortunate country)
Basically any part that is required for the operation of the firearm, ie barrel, trigger, bolt, magazine, barrel, stock (inc grips). Also includes suppressors and muzzle brakes I think. Anything that requires a mail order permit.
what if it becomes part of the info on your licence?like a cat,b cat, whateverQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Not really, a lot of the certifications such as the ISOs look at the way you do things and how you do things. And they go through annual reviews and renewals.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Can understand how you feel and you are not alone on this one...but hey I'm pretty certain we've already sold our souls to the devil lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Done ISO a few times in the past, wow is all I can say. The accreditation process for some companies is akin to watching a blockbuster movie, and they keep it up for about as long once a year. It's a bit of a waffle and does in no way make your product or service fit for purpose. The company culture and leadership (with a helping of shareholder and financial performance) is the main thing that dictates the performance on the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
In the case of the registration part, only, it is a different definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by T.FOYE
An arm item in that case is the main part of the firearm with its serial number. As talked to with Nicolas Taylor the barrister last week.
From memory the company in question has done multiple ISOs, IRAP, and a few others. There are all good indicators of good security practices. And if Police follow standard procedures there will be pen testing and a C&A memo written to highlight any outstanding risks and remediation's required before the website goes live. Culture and leadership mean jack shit when it comes to information security.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....earms-registry
Says at the link what a major part is.
You are correct about culture and leadership meaning jack shit regarding info security, but that is a two-sided coin. Poor culture and leadership allow people to breach any system regardless of intent and design. That's largely what happened in the recent leak of the documents from the US from what we can see on reporting, the person that did it was reported to have been pulled up multiple times about the practices of document security but it was never followed up by the people that should have. That is the weak link in any system...Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
Yes, all those involved in this registry need to be accountable for any and all leaks and breaches. Years ago while having his gun safe inspected, a general manager I worked with was told by the OA a cop in Wellington had recently been caught selling FAL details to gang members. Sounds like FAL details and registry data is only as safe as those who hold this data are honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger