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It is worrying isn't.
who the hell packages in 32 round containers?
reloading opportunity for someone ?
Struck me as odd too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
You think that this reporting is accurate?
Police will be fine. You and me, however, are going to have an even harder time trying to courier ammunition as a result of this.
Mix of 9mm 50 boxes and 5.56 20 boxes
I thought recent law changes stipulate transport of ammunition require locked storage ?
Not the first time firearms/ammunition have gone missing due to light fingered couriers.
Police and some other Government Departments are exempt from the provisions of the Arms Act (and others). Do as I say, not as I do!Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
Problem here is that the real world doesn't nicely line up with Police very black/white ideas of "WHAT MUST HAPPEN". You can't stop shipping firearms and ammo, even for Police. Any time you entrust something to the care of someone else, there's a risk factor that you accept as built-in with that transaction. You can't stop or prevent every risk, without stopping the world from spinning and that's purely impossible.
It would be great to live in a perfect world where no one farks it up at all, but it isn't going to happen (something that the transport agency might want to think about as well!).
I can see the results of this being that firearms related items go on a courier company blacklist - just too much hassle. I know some of the outfits are trying not to handle certain other 'desirable' items and have asked companies not to send them through their networks just because the courier managers aren't confident they can control the service. What that does is almost the reverse of what we want, it concentrates those items in a smaller group of transport outfits - and I know where I am on rural delivery we are seriously struggling with light fingered dickheads following the postie's van down the road and raiding after delivery. The Police seem powerless to stop that sort of crime as well.
my thoughts exactly -Maybe it it is a super dooper special police round or something .assuming its .223 in 20rd packets it then equates to 16packets missing. why FGS dont police use military to transport ammo around the country, for military must carry massive loads all through nz. better still get regional stockpile of police ammo held in military secure facilities and this can be drawn down as needed .Again this case suggests failure to adhere to protocol or even simple cutting corners /slackness as root cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
why dont police carry it themselves....its not like they dont have the manpower or vechilles to do so.....with the pityful amount they use it would not be a huge drama to load up a paddy wagon in Auckland and drive down country stopping along the way to lighten cargo at each station in need along the way...actually why dont they just purchase it like everyone else does???? 99% of the ammunition they will use will go into paper so what it is is largely irrelevant...
Must be a busy opportunity in there for someone like Security Express.
Most of the old school army hall-style military facilities aren't permanently manned now, so no real advantage or way that this could happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
Government procurement rules I think don't allow for that to happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
the majority of larg er cities will have a permanent army base close by and the smaller centres often have an active TF army base with secure storage with reach for a resupp of ammo if required.Due to the military fetish for paperwork(quadruplicate at times) you can also seem who signed for it on uplift plus which police person authorised the original ammo order etc etc.beats the hell out of getting some courier to drive a van load to timbuctoowithout anyone knowing if the could have wayward tendencies or are being srtoodover by assorted miscreants /lowlife or GPs tracked by hijackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Yeah, well that didn't work, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
obviously you like a lot of us are less than impressed .However military documentation standards in regard to such cargoes are a hell ofg a lot more stringent than a scrawl on some civvie couriers docket thrust underneath your nose .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger 888
yeah get the government involved thats never made any process harder or more inconvenient hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Listening to the radio news yesterday and one of the leading lights in NZ Gun Control said something along the lines of 'We are not too worried about this, people who want ammunition get it mainly from licensed firearms owners'. She then went on to say that the system for buying ammunition was defective and that records being kept were literally useless and inaccurate (or words to that effect)
(Looked but couldnt find a link)
For about 30 bucks you can buy a very authentic looking fake out door ctv camera, with a smile your on ctv sticker. Slap the sticker on your mailbox, mount the fake camera on pole near letter box visable as. Might even deter house break in. ( which I assume is the next step up from mail stealing when they get bord of that)Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Just hook up the fence energizer to your courier drop box so it switches on when a package drops into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
I like your thinking…not sure the next courier driver will enjoy the experience. HahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
Couple of weekends ago I shot 300 rounds, only a few went missing.
It was thrown in as a suggestion FGS.its blatantly bloody obvious their existing system is showing shortcomings .Bloody ironic given theyre all over LFA users about security and double checking everything etc etc etc etc.this gun control mob-academics mostly; harlots in the courts of the socialist princess MSM being her eunuchs.Quote:
Originally Posted by OGM
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Originally Posted by OGM
Given some blame the cops for this I guess if THEY sent ammo to someone and it disappeared en route they would happy to take the blame for the ammo going missing??