Ammo Shortage Inbound

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15-12-2023, 07:33 AM
BSA

Ammo Shortage Inbound

I think this belongs here....From a Gateway article this morning...Might pay to stock up, things look to be getting scarcer 2024.

Ammo Prices Are Set to Spike Due to World Wide Shortage of Gunpowder

Vista Outdoor, the parent company to several ammunition makers such as Federal, CCI, and Remington, has warned prices for ammunition are expected to rise in 2024 due to a worldwide shortage of gunpowder.

In a letter sent to customers, Vista Outdoor warned that they would begin to increase prices on all of their ammunition products due to “an anticipated global shortage of gunpowder.”

Vista Outdoor, a parent company to many firearms businesses, told Newsweek that it will substantially increase its ammunition prices due to “an anticipated global shortage of gunpowder.”

The Minnesota-based company confirmed the authenticity of a December 1 letter sent to customers that it would go ahead with an across-the-board increase of its ammunition and gunpowder prices on January 1.

“Due to world events our suppliers have notified us of unprecedented demand for and an anticipated global shortage of gunpowder, and thus has increased our prices substantially,” Vice President of Sales, Sporting Products Brett Nelson said in the letter. “We must therefore raise our pricing to help offset those increases.”

Companies that will increase their prices include Remington, Alliant Powder, CCI, Federal, SEVI-Shot and Speer.

Remington, CCI, Speer, and Federal Ammunition donated one million rounds of ammo to the Ukraine Armed Forces in December of 2022.
15-12-2023, 07:44 AM
tetawa

Powder and component sales seemed to have slowed going by the continual email bombardment received from retailers I've supported in the past.
15-12-2023, 08:29 AM
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15-12-2023, 08:31 AM
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https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/...t-ammo-supply/
15-12-2023, 09:57 AM
imaca

They are raising their prices due to “an anticipated global shortage of gunpowder.”

So racketeering then
15-12-2023, 10:03 AM
No.3

It's going to be interesting to see how long the crunch lasts - with the Israel/Hamas situation going on, the African issues, the unrest in central Asia at the moment, of course Ukraine plus all of the other little squabbles that are too numerous to mention (Venezuela?) there is just not the manufacturing capacity to even make a dent in the demand.

On the plus side of that equation, the world's stockpiles of munitions are getting chewed through but the down side of that argument is that people in power are going to want to replenish stockpiles as soon as the mad panic is averted. Decades of high intensity manufacturing of military paramilitary and police/internal govt orders before the retail market gets a look in...
15-12-2023, 10:09 AM
No.3

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Originally Posted by imaca

They are raising their prices due to “an anticipated global shortage of gunpowder.”

So racketeering then

Well, yes and no. What the main issue is is that one 155mm cartridge consumes more precursors than the average sporting shooter burns through in a decade. The 'global shortage' they are anticipating is here, now and it's simply due to the fact there aren't enough manufacturing lines and plants to keep everyone in business. That's why we have no Trailboss from ADI for example - it means a line needs to be retooled for a powder that doesn't have any military application, delaying BIG contract work. Not going to happen. As far as pricing, it costs the manufacturer's each time they retool or divert and if they don't deliver the big contracts on time there are costs in the contracts usually. With no lean times to run plants making less common and more exacting products for the recreational market (and the stuff they make for the big contracts is not like 'this is AR2208' - it's powder of burn rate blah blah so if we load this caliber with that much it will meet spec) the costs go up.
15-12-2023, 10:33 AM
zimmer

I wonder if the recent acquisition of Vista by a Czech billionaire (and loss of American companies) may also have something to do with it.

The powder shortage has been around since last year along with all the comparisons of how much the military (read Ukraine) is comsuming compared to civilian use - an almost irrelevant comparison.
There has also been massive stocking up going on in the US military and virtually every police department in the States.
15-12-2023, 10:40 AM
Tahr

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It’s all my fault.
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15-12-2023, 10:44 AM
Bol Tackshin

Enough there for about 50 rounds of 20mm as used in the LAVs!
15-12-2023, 07:24 PM
XR500

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Originally Posted by Tahr

It’s all my fault.
Attachment 239410

You forgot to wipe the gps coords in the meta data file off the jpeg!!!

Someone will be around to 'redistribute' those valuable wee pottles:wtfsmilie::wtfsmilie:;)
16-12-2023, 04:41 AM
Nathan F

@Tahr Snap. I’ve got enough of everything to see me out.
16-12-2023, 05:00 AM
Steve123

So the 1-7% increase in the states is going to end up the usual 20-30% in our shops?
16-12-2023, 06:29 AM
A330driver

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Originally Posted by Steve123

So the 1-7% increase in the states is going to end up the usual 20-30% in our shops?

Probably so mate……just bought 500 RDS of 7.62x51(308)Winchester 149 gr FMJ (FOR $499 USD)……….last month it was $420……..

As per usual the yanks love to spill the beans about a shortage of anything firearm wise which in turn sparks panic buying of everything etc etc etc….good for business and Xmas sales
16-12-2023, 01:34 PM
Tahr

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR500

You forgot to wipe the gps coords in the meta data file off the jpeg!!!

Someone will be around to 'redistribute' those valuable wee pottles:wtfsmilie::wtfsmilie:;)

Cripes that sounds complicated. How do you do that??
16-12-2023, 02:49 PM
Russian 22.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Cripes that sounds complicated. How do you do that??

If you google "exif data" it will have a few web pages that will tell you how.
16-12-2023, 02:50 PM
Shearer

I had assumed that data was removed by the forum when a photo was uploaded???
16-12-2023, 03:59 PM
Happy Jack

It's not as I found out in the beginning only farcebook does that, about the only good thing they do.
16-12-2023, 04:04 PM
No.3

A cheat way is to disable location recording on your phone when the camera is in use - although it does pay to check with each photo as updates etc can reset your settings.
16-12-2023, 04:40 PM
zimmer

I got caught a couple of years ago with a photo I posted on the forum. Pocking around, I found the meta data, clicked on it, google maps opened up to my address, another click or so and there was a view of my house. Holy shit.

Back then I had to install an app to edit out any meta data if I had inadvertantly any location data in my photos. (There are times when you want that data.)
On my last few Samsung phones I just open the picture, swipe up, and all the data is there on the rhs including camera type and settings. The location data can be easily deleted there.
17-12-2023, 02:46 PM
ANTSMAN

https://nz.video.search.yahoo.com/se...f&action=click

this vid shows how to.
17-12-2023, 04:22 PM
RUMPY

I just screenshot photos before uploading them. Does this remove all location data?
17-12-2023, 04:44 PM
zimmer

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Looks like it. Below is the info stored with a screen shot
Attachment 239638
This is the info attached to a photo (IF GPS LOCATION TURNED ON IN CAMERA)
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17-12-2023, 04:55 PM
Gamehunter

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Originally Posted by RUMPY

I just screenshot photos before uploading them. Does this remove all location data?

Taking a screenshot removed location data on a secret location photo for me.

But I'm no techno.
17-12-2023, 06:03 PM
Happy Jack

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmer

I got caught a couple of years ago with a photo I posted on the forum. Pocking around, I found the meta data, clicked on it, google maps opened up to my address, another click or so and there was a view of my house. Holy shit.

Back then I had to install an app to edit out any meta data if I had inadvertantly any location data in my photos. (There are times when you want that data.)
On my last few Samsung phones I just open the picture, swipe up, and all the data is there on the rhs including camera type and settings. The location data can be easily deleted there.

My Oppo phone doesn't do that but I usually upload from my laptop so remove the data under Windows instead.
17-12-2023, 07:37 PM
XR500

I bet @Thar is going to go back to taking photos using 35mm film after this thread!!!
17-12-2023, 08:42 PM
Tahr

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR500

I bet @Thar is going to go back to taking photos using 35mm film after this thread!!!

And black and white to boot. :)
17-12-2023, 11:03 PM
JohnDuxbury

I still do. And I develop them in my bathroom.
17-12-2023, 11:14 PM
Tahr

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Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury

I still do. And I develop them in my bathroom.

You just like sniffing the chemicals.
18-12-2023, 04:04 PM
Ross Nolan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tahr

And black and white to boot. :)

Don't focus on immutable characteristics.

A bit of inclusivity for our multicoloured participants, if you please.....
19-12-2023, 07:53 AM
Percy Jones

and as for powder, this below came from Steves wholesale latest email to dealers.

ADI is expecting late next year to have most powders ready including Trail Boss, APS350, APS650, AR2206H., BM8208, and AR2205.
We may also have another opportunity to ship some rifle powders over in April 2024, but this will not include the above powders.
19-12-2023, 08:21 AM
Tahr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Don't focus on immutable characteristics.

A bit of inclusivity for our multicoloured participants, if you please.....

Whoops. What if you only see life through a black and white lens though?

About powder. If 2206H doesn't turn up again for 12 months its going to hurt.
19-12-2023, 08:43 AM
25/08 IMP

Hell yeah lucky I have a couple to keep me going.

Sent from my CPH2145 using Tapatalk
19-12-2023, 09:28 AM
Tahr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tahr

Whoops. What if you only see life through a black and white lens though?

About powder. If 2206H doesn't turn up again for 12 months its going to hurt.

Ive got that big pot of CFE223 from you if I get desperate although I haven't found it all that good in .223.
19-12-2023, 06:24 PM
charliehorse

Is there a shortage of 2206H?
19-12-2023, 06:39 PM
Jhon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tahr

Ive got that big pot of CFE223 from you if I get desperate although I haven't found it all that good in .223.

I have some CFE223 on standby intending to use it in 223. Interested to hear how you found it lacking?
19-12-2023, 06:44 PM
Tahr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhon

I have some CFE223 on standby intending to use it in 223. Interested to hear how you found it lacking?

Not as accurate or fast compared to 2206H. 55 grn through to 77 grn. Best fit seems to be 27 grns and 60 grain bullet.
19-12-2023, 07:21 PM
charliehorse

If anyone wants a kg I can point them in the right direction
19-12-2023, 09:03 PM
Gkp

The shortage of components and cost is driven by a bunch of things but here is another factor to add to the mix, Skip to 7 minutes In the video if you are not too interested in the 22 arc.

A little insight to why powder and primers may get more expensive and hard to get very soon

https://youtu.be/m-i76lvmads?si=UPRu3VbQJKV9sniK
19-12-2023, 11:18 PM
jackson21

Interesting how in article mentions how heaps of people have big stashes in USA though. There will be plenty of people here like that also. I go through phases of calibres that just fall out of my personal flavour to no longer shoot. Have heaps of consumables for or even factory ammo. Like 223 & 308 just haven't been using for years, but could last for ages if needed to. Primers is probably the weak link if you ain't got those.