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It points out that our gun laws must be pretty ok at the moment, when someone who wants to align themselves to ISIS can only access an airsoft plastic AK. This also puts perspective to the Police press release stating AK47's and M16's were found just laying in a warehouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Another "Aramoana" is inevitable, sensational headline that! even if its statistically less likely than this alternative headline Another Christchurch earthquake is inevitable.
No matter how much you plan you will not be able to prevent either.
If your going to use Graham as an example of anything -he was a licensed firearm owner. He had a permit for several rifles, had been required to surrender them for the home guard but hid them instead so again someone actively breaking the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Yes NZ has a history of "mass murders" going back to when the first occupation. The reality is that firearms make up a very small percentage of them even in recent history.
At the risk of ruining a good conspiracy theory, she was on tonight's news as she only came home today, one of the last to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by rockland
Graham wasn't a licenced firearms owner. There was no firearms licence available in 1941 and for many decades later. You just had to prove that you were over 16 years old and obtain a permit to procure from the police, then you took it back to the police station so the sergeant at the desk could record the registration number incorrectly in the record book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
Not even sure if there were any background checks done later to see if the new firearm owner had a criminal record. There probably was although I knew of some pretty shady characters who had no trouble buying, registering and keeping a rifle in the late 60's.
Shh, stop using facts, it's spoils the bias people have ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
His crusade is to establish a footing for his political ambitions. I don't know why police members put up with his constant stream of bullshit and self-promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Well, as with TV or whatever, if you don't want to look at it, don't look at it. Like most things, basically simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Thanks Captain Obvious, it was a rhetorical question - you know, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by keneff
Was there licening in 1941?10 years before I was born, so I dunno, but like george Wilder, Graham became something of a folk hero. Hitler was supposed to have sent him a telegram saying "You hold the South Island, I'll send a soldier to take the North Island." Probably a myth, but an indication that he was admired by some.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
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Check your figures before making a statement such as this.[/QUOTE]
Check what I wrote, Pal. You will see that I didn't quote ANY figures. Are you saying the cops need to shoot more blacks to bring some balance to the issue? Certainly the shooting of blacks gets much more media attention. Anti-white racism is rife in the US AND here. You don't need to be white to be a racist, and you don't need to be black, or brown, or yellow, to be a victim of it.
Found this...
The first gun control laws were enacted in 1845, but early regulations were ineffective until the passage of the Arms Act in 1860, which required licences and registration of firearms and firearm dealers.
In 1920, the new law required the registration of all firearms and issuance of a "permit to procure" before a firearm was transferred. Semi-automatic pistols were banned and a special permit was needed for other pistols (e.g. revolvers), with the intent of discouraging the carrying of concealed weapons. Few changes were seen for the next forty years as crime remained low and the country avoided political violence.
An internal police report in 1982 criticised the proposals, saying there was no evidence that registration helped to solve crimes, and that registration would use time and money better spent on other police work. This policy was adopted by the government in the 1983 Act.
Trevor Mallard signed off the registration of firearms move...the politicians citing that the processes involved were too expensive. The irony was, in my mind, that firearms become easier to procure; go figure!!!
I remember hearing that one as it developed.. Sounded a lot like one possibly two of the cops shot each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I know in detail what happened there, no cops shot each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
All those cops who were shot, were shot by the bad guy.
Didn't sound like that on the radio reports, in fact has anyone seen the PCA report?
Yup well the radio doesn't know f^%k all, I've spoken to people who were directly involved in the incident and the subsequent investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
How many more Christchurch earthquakes? How many more trucks have to fall off the ferry? We need to ban firearms before the gun related crime rate gets so low it naturally rebounds a little and we have a crisis on out hands.
Greg O'Connor if you hate freedom so much you should get a plane ticked and retire in that totalitarian penal colony west of New Zealand.
I agree tussock. Guns are a red herring issue.
I think the real issue is the resurgence of the methamphetamine trade and associated burglary increase. Guns being stolen are a byproduct of this.
I disagree tussock, NZ is training a Shi'ite dominated government/army which are a lot more palatable than the Sunni, Saudi backed enemy.
Islamic militants will never get past stage 3 because they are fucking idiots. Have you not seen how they conduct themselves on the battlefield? They are as dangerous to each other as they are to one of the 50 factions they are fighting.
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Originally Posted by Tussock
not quite how i see it happen, i think more like the docco here, but close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU
The issue of the police bearing firearms is a fair response to the need for that sort of protection and deterrant...I believe our police should be armed...just as the police in Poland and wherever else...our society has changed...and if our firearms are at risk, then we, all FAL bearers should speak up and take a stand...
As Mussolini quoted...better one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep...
Who has said "we can't have guns?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
The cops in Whangarei who were shot at a few days ago were reportedly unarmed and unable to stop the guy stealing their squad car.They were lucky he didn't hit and kill them.
He then hijacked another car at gunpoint and took off. I'm sure the people who were robbed of their car at gunpoint would have prefered the police were able to stop him before they were attacked.
Why shouldn't they carry guns to protect themselves and the public?
It sounds to me like the cops DO desperatly need more guns, or at least carry the ones they have.
Meh, they probably just lose them... again.
It has little to do with keeping the public safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
My prediction is that would have little bearing on general public safety, just like any other country where the police are armed all the time.
Quite likely the complete opposite.
I would be ok with police carrying firearms if they demonstrated some trust towards the public and our own firearms usage.
Exactly, but that is not happening and this distrust is trending globally in Western society. Subsequently the police themselves are undoubtedly becoming more militarized as we spiral towards an unprecedented, relentless war on terrorismQuote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
How much civil liberty will we lose trying to stop an invisible enemy? It appears the drones can't seem to connect all hits? Govt surveillance can't keep track of the terrorists and the analysts that work for these intelligence agencies seem to miss obvious suspects of extremism.
Terrorism has in recent times been used as leverage to gain more power for easier control.
Pretty much. I would rather live in a free society than give up guns for the greater good, just because a psycho or islamist might get one. Especially considering the state and the media as it were probably has a lot to do with festering people into committing acts of violence. I haven't done anything wrong, though I'm sure I meet Mr. Gillespie's criteria of what a "right wing terrorist" is.
Just turn the entire country into a prison and arrest people on the suspicion of intending to commit a crime at some time. How much safer could you get than that?
George Orwell 1984 referred to it as "thoughtcrime"Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
As with some other authors he seems to have accurately predicted the direction governments are heading, you imprision your citizens to ensure their freedom.
Fantastic documentary on this on Al Jazerra here :Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Deadly Force: Arming America's Police - Al Jazeera English
They dont have the necessary firearms skills to be armed all the time. one qualification shoot a year isnt it? a civilian pistol shooter does a minimum of 12 per year. They need ongoing firearms training every year to be armed full time. They dont have the money for it.
So the bad guy did shoot them all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
I fucking hate our media.
Is there any public information about what actually happened or just "first person accounts"?
I'd love to have a read.
A very bias documentary which ignores some really basic facts. It didn't have a single decent argument presented and the incidents portrayed were portrayed in a very bias manner and the points made by the family and lawyers are most often very easily explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
If you don't like the term 'military style' wrongly used then avoid this documentary.
I thought it hit the spot a few times tbh, the militarization of the US Police force has been ongoing for a while and highlites the problems it creates.
Closer to home the Lindt Cafe siege in Sydney in 2014 the militarization was pretty remarkable, along with the sad consequences of theory, training vs reality.
There is no public information released by the Police at this stage. It will come out in the trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Will you stop teasing me about the apocalypse. Everytime I get my hopes up it's just same ol' same ol'Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock