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http://https://i.stuff.co.nz/nationa...lands-new-lynn
Weird how none of the news outlets are admitting its a shooting. He was "injured". By a bloody bullet fired from a handgun (apparently). That already existing registration is keeping us so safe...
Well I'm not trying to be argumentative, but put yourself in the position of the reporters.
They go to the scene, talk to police, talk to police headquarters, and the police are saying nothing yet, because they've only just detained the perps and don't want to prejudice, the coming charges and court cases, by talking about things, that may be relied on as evidence.
So the reporters have little to go on, other than the limited police information and a few random citizens, who may or may not have seen something, that may or may not be accurate.
Additionally the media have been crucified in recent times, for publishing stuff that later turned out to be misinformation or disinformation, so they're cautious about saying things, that aren't able to be verified.
So if { He was "injured". By a bloody bullet fired from a handgun (apparently) } is a true statement, why not get yourself to a newspaper and you might even get a photo and a byline.
There is an update.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/30081...on-in-new-lynn
and another article https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...petrol-station
"An inquiry is under way into how the man was hurt, and police are appealing for any witnesses to contact them."
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and from the link in Bol Tacksin's post:
"Anyone who may have seen what happened is asked to get in touch with police, and quote file 230301/0665."
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T.FOYE, you could help them solve the case, give them a call and let them know what happened...
Considering the number of "motor cycle enthusiasts" in Auckland that have succumbed to gunshot wounds and being run over lately, Cuddles Coster's approach to leave the gangs alone, seems to be sorting itself out. BTW, the head of the newly established Police firearms regulatory body has finally accepted that crims obtain their firearms from paying an unscrupulous LFAO to buy firearms for them. Let's see if the Courts deal with these dirtbags harshly.
My mrs went to get petrol and saw the armed offenders squad. Anyone who turned up knew what had happened so I find I hard to believe that the journos don't know what happened and what is happening more frequently. Fact is, we got gangsters starting to rob people in broad daylight at gas stations. Things are getting much worse under the labor government I feel. It certainly is around New Lynn
"Fact is, we got gangsters starting to rob people in broad daylight at gas stations."
Yes and not just gangsters, kids as well. In Birkenhead, there are at least 4 Vape shops. Every few days, one of them gets new plywood windows and then 2 days later, another one... I'm wondering if there will be a week without a ram raid, not so far...
I don't disagree that journos don't know what happened, but what they can publish, is subject to discretion.
I will disagree with you about the labour govt. not because I like labour, but in my opinion politicians of any flavour, running the country, are the wrong people to do so.
Why should the winners of a popularity contest run the country?
We should be able to vote for: i.e. the best accountants to run finance, the best judges to run justice, the best large organisation head, to be PM etc - Best doctors to run health, you get the idea....
Best rugby coaches to run Rugby NZ, etc, etc...
While I agree with you (and Winston Churchill) that politicians are the worst people to run a country, I disagree with the idea that the best Judges should run the Justice department etc. I see this in all manner of industry - a person gets good at their job and then ends up as the foreman, where their skills don't necessarily translate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
The best welder should be welding, and his boss should be trained as a foreman. It makes no sense to remove your best worker from a role they excel in to see if they are suited to another position. IF they have managerial skills, then fine. Otherwise, have them do what they are best at, and let someone else do what they are best at.
Agree wholeheartedly! I've noticed over my working life that so many people get promoted above their level of competency. So a first class welder becomes a crap foreman, and so on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
It's mostly crackhead knuckledraggers vs other crackhead knuckledraggers
yep I see it at my work too. Just because someone has a PhD they promote them to a supervisor role when the vast majority of them have no managerial or people handling skills. It should be a requirement that anyone that moves into a manager role must do some managerial courses so they learn how to actually manage people.
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Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
True but surely the bloke that "ends up as the foreman, where their skills don't necessarily translate." will be up against the other best formen and the best of those, will be the guy in charge of formen. The best welder will still be in charge of the welders etc... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
Umm… am Ithe only one that connects the fact that this happened at a service station that will have had cameras up the whazoo. Someone is telling porkies if they are saying that don’t know if or what type of firearm was involved.
service stations generally have excellent camera systems, heck i installed cameras that could actually read the serial numbers on banknotes above the tills , the outside ones are sometimes even in 4k.
Errr @gonetropo you haven't been playing with balloons recently have you??:wtfsmilie:
i'm more into rockets myself, built a pulse jet years ago. fark !!! you think a machine gun is loud!!Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Ah, but a foreman with no knowledge of welding may not understand the particular issues related to his workers needs and abilities.
On the other hand, Nash (Minister of Forestry) has a masters degree in forestry management, which is a great example of why the principle doesn't always hold....
I'm not suggesting that the foreman should have no welding experience, just that the best welder should stick to that role unless he/she demonstrates management potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
You are right on the button about Nash, though! He's depriving a village somewhere of a resident idiot!
Yes...but then you need savvy and intelligent people who are capable of making a wise vote and choice. Something sadly lacking at present.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
What you're all referring to is 'The Peter Principle'.
Basically, everyone rises to their level of incompetence through hierarchies. I see it everywhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
It's a pretty good book, written in an almost satirical manner, highly recommend.
As an old man I can tell you it doesn't work like that - the one with the biggest mouth gets the job because he knows how to blow smoke right up your arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
It applies to politicians, car salesmen, Priests, influencer's and most everything else. No one goes far unless they know how to spin shit - it's the way it's always been.
The bloke who know his shit gets stuck in a position where knowing 'your shit' matters' - he's what makes the world go round, the others are just 'noise'.
How true. Once you recognize the trees in the forest...they're everywhere!Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90
If you are irreplaceable, then you are also unpromotable.
My old boss once told me "you get promoted to your own level of ineptitude". He was ok on the machines but nothing special, as it turns out he was incredible as a foreman and then factory manager. Having that knowledge of the job was a great background but his people/managerial skills (not trained/qualified) are what took him further than me.
Yep , that's why I've always liked the saying " an empty vessel makes the most noise".
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Originally Posted by SF90
Roger Daltry of the Who once sang all those years ago ' Meet the new boss...same as the old boss'. Seems he knew a bit about The Peter Principle too.
When i was 12yrs-old , I said pretty-much the exact same-thing to my parents . Dad was a 'National-voter' and Mum voted 'Labour' , they both explained that I would understand it better when I 'Grew-up' . When 'that' happened, I didn't bother voting for years . It's still essentially the same ; You are 'Free' to vote : Fools 'A'........or Fools 'B' . On the subject of 'escalating-Crime' , it is World-wide , along with its meth-use and it definitely moved-up-a-gear when Australian-created Crims got exported here . As a result of that , a new-level of violence was seen everywhere and all the young and dumb gang-prospects have embraced it whole-heartedly which just pushes it even further . You can vote for as many incompetent-liars as you want , whatever 'hats' they happen to wear , and it will not change this .Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
What a load of rubbish…
My son started as the floor sweeper , showed work ethic got offered an apprenticeship, did his time finished that ..then a month later he’s the foreman on site why …because he has a brain , relates to people , calls it as he sees it , has maturity and doesn’t suffer fools..can deal with paperwork!
Leaving the best man on the floor sees the best man on the tools get poached for better money ..ask the best man how things can be done better you might be surprised at his ideas and thoughts!
It may even make you a few more dollars!