Thread: The anti gun lobby

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Have a look for Practical Shooting Insititute vs Commissioner of Police where a total ban on the importation of ALL semiautomatics was overturned.

Look at "A Review of Firearms Control in New Zealand" a report made by NZ Police to Thorp

7.4 Such weapon types that should be banned include shotguns with barell less than a certain length, firearms that discharge a bullet of a size greater than .50 calibre, and 'bullpup' firearms of any type.

Have a look through the Police Firearms Manual where the word 'banned' appears numerous times.

Wake up and sniff the 'banning' frevour!

The Thorp Report was an independent review commissioned by the NZ Police, Thorp produced it. Very big difference to what you are stating.

When I looked at the arms manual the word banned appeared once and the word banning once, neither time was it in reference to taking firearms off people.

I think you are the one that needs to wake up and stop spreading misinformation.

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/fi...anual_2002.pdf

8.12 Firearms Approved
for Import

The importation of the following shall only be approved through the Manager: Licensing
and Vetting. The applicant is to provide written explanation for wanting to import these
firearms, including why the general rule banning their import should not apply.
a) pistols or restricted weapons or parts of pistols or restricted weapons,
b) military style semi-automatic firearms or parts thereof,
c) semi automatic shotguns or parts thereof,
d) pump action shotguns or parts thereof,
e) firearms concealed within another item (eg: walking stick firearms)
f) doubled barrelled exposed hammer shotguns
g) rifles, carbines or shotguns less than 762 mm (30 inches) in overall length
h) firearms with folding, sliding, telescoping or other retractable stocks

Banning their import effectively is a policy banning continued ownership. You are now in denial!

Originally Posted by Southern Man

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/fi...anual_2002.pdf

8.12 Firearms Approved
for Import

The importation of the following shall only be approved through the Manager: Licensing
and Vetting. The applicant is to provide written explanation for wanting to import these
firearms, including why the general rule banning their import should not apply.
a) pistols or restricted weapons or parts of pistols or restricted weapons,
b) military style semi-automatic firearms or parts thereof,
c) semi automatic shotguns or parts thereof,
d) pump action shotguns or parts thereof,
e) firearms concealed within another item (eg: walking stick firearms)
f) doubled barrelled exposed hammer shotguns
g) rifles, carbines or shotguns less than 762 mm (30 inches) in overall length
h) firearms with folding, sliding, telescoping or other retractable stocks

Banning their import effectively is a policy banning continued ownership. You are now in denial!

So this one excerpt means that Police are trying to ban civilian ownership?! Since when were the items on that list banned from import? Pretty easy to get a hold of a,b,c,d,f,g,h. Last I checked there were plenty being imported. Not to mention this only applies to the certain firearms that aren't on the approved list. This is far from evidence of Police wanting to disarm the population.

Keep trying.

1. Before a Permit to Import is issued for any firearm a check shall be made to ensure the
firearm has been approved for import into New Zealand. A list of firearms approved for
import is available on the Police website. This list is not exhaustive – if a firearm is not on
the list a check should be made with the Police Armourer.
2. The description must be precise. It must specify make/model/type and action
(e.g.: “Mossberg 500” is an inadequate description as there are many models of Mossberg
500, some of them banned from importation).

Despite the clear fact that PSI vs COP made it abundantly plain that Police do not have and never have had the power to 'ban' any importation. A general rule of banning is pretty plain speaking to me - as I understand plain English.

Originally Posted by Savage1

The Thorp Report was an independent review commissioned by the NZ Police, Thorp produced it. Very big difference to what you are stating.

When I looked at the arms manual the word banned appeared once and the word banning once, neither time was it in reference to taking firearms off people.

I think you are the one that needs to wake up and stop spreading misinformation.

The quote is from the Police report to Thorp made by the Opperations Suport Group - not from the Thorp Report itself

Also have another look at the Arms Manual - banned appears more than once.


The statement that I am spreading misinformation is untrue - you are spreading untruths!