Thread: AR15 in rush hour traffic??

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Do you blame them for being jumpy after what happened to Constable Hunt?
Its only a matter of time until an innocent bystander is killed in the next gang vs Police shootout.
A woman has already been shot in South Auckland at her front door in a case of mistaken ID by gangs.
These OZ gangs have no qualms blazing away.

The Police are 100% accountable for allowing gangsterism to get out of control. They seem to prefer showmanship and hubris instead of solid police work and are reaping the rewards of this.
Big brave alphas when raiding Kim Dotcom and traffic-copping yet useless at hard targets. The Police and Gangs deserve each other.

Originally Posted by GDMP

Thats nothing.....the Brazilian police just blaze away with a FN-FAL from the sky...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU5VXTC_8rw

Hah! At least they hit them, I think Star Wars Storm Troopers are modeled on American cops. Lots of lead down range but they hit nothing.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Do you blame them for being jumpy after what happened to Constable Hunt?
Its only a matter of time until an innocent bystander is killed in the next gang vs Police shootout.
A woman has already been shot in South Auckland at her front door in a case of mistaken ID by gangs.
These OZ gangs have no qualms blazing away.

Can't be right, Mate. All those evil guns were taken off the street, at great expense to the taxpayer, to make NZ safe. And our highly-trained police force is here to protect us all. So they're the only ones allowed to have actual, evil guns. Oh, apart from our military forces who only use them in the defense of our pure, green land. And if your bullshitometer isn't ccccccccclanging over that lot, you need a head transplant.

Originally Posted by keneff

Can't be right, Mate. All those evil guns were taken off the street, at great expense to the taxpayer, to make NZ safe. And our highly-trained police force is here to protect us all. So they're the only ones allowed to have actual, evil guns. Oh, apart from our military forces who only use them in the defense of our pure, green land. And if your bullshitometer isn't ccccccccclanging over that lot, you need a head transplant.

I dont know about anyone else, but that comment from politicians always bugged me. I wanted to know how the buy back could "take guns off the street"? This was the one comment the Adern team seemed to like making, but the ONLY semi autos I ever saw "on the streets" were in the hands of Police.I have never seen a semi auto walking down the street, by itself or in a civilians hands....It might happen rarely and I have never seen it, but the Police would account for 99% of guns seen "on the streets".........

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Do you blame them for being jumpy after what happened to Constable Hunt?
Its only a matter of time until an innocent bystander is killed in the next gang vs Police shootout.
A woman has already been shot in South Auckland at her front door in a case of mistaken ID by gangs.
These OZ gangs have no qualms blazing away.

Oh, was it mistaken identity? That's OK then. No reason for the rest of us to worry.

Today an IPCA report cleared the Police in a recent fatal shooting after finally bringing the offender to a stop and firing 49 rifle shots (at probably no more than two car lengths) to kill him. The report states that if was fortunate that it was two AOS officers who were in the right place at the right time displaying "a high level of professionalism.". Jesus bloody wept! What an example of training, competence and marksmanship!

Originally Posted by gundoc

Today an IPCA report cleared the Police in a recent fatal shooting after finally bringing the offender to a stop and firing 49 rifle shots (at probably no more than two car lengths) to kill him. The report states that if was fortunate that it was two AOS officers who were in the right place at the right time displaying "a high level of professionalism.". Jesus bloody wept! What an example of training, competence and marksmanship!

I would have liked (a) what weapons they were using and (b) what the shots fired vs hits on the dead dude ratio is.

I suspect the car soaked up quite a few bullets intended for the guy that was shot. (9mm and to a certain degree 223 hollow points don’t carve a straigh(ish) line through car bodies)

According to the article they were using rifles, presumably .223 Bushmaster AR15's.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Have you seen the latest tactic in the USA? Cops simultaneously pursuing (driving) and shooting through their windscreen with an AR. Seems to becoming fairly common.

Also saw one where they unloaded an MP5 (or similar) in full auto into a car as it went past.

The cops that got that multiple murderer in TGA engaged him through the windscreen in exactly that manner to begin with, then got out and sent a couple mags his way for luck. Good result. Those AR15s are death machines though, they shouldn't be allowed them

I hate seeing AR15s in public. Didn't make me feel safer at all seeing the 'show of force' out the front of the mosques. It was excessive force imo. Handguns in holsters would have been far more appropriate.

When did it become ok to startle members of the public? Frighten children and oldies etc.

Originally Posted by GDMP

I must admit I felt the same way at the time.....the 'show of force' I felt just made things worse and kept people on edge.It did not make me feel safer in the least.

Thats the plan. Keeping people "on edge" and "in fear" are more compliant. It is easier for them to control you if you are in fear.

How else would they create a climate of fear and hysteria in order to ban semis in record time

Originally Posted by Cordite

Oh, was it mistaken identity? That's OK then. No reason for the rest of us to worry.

(edited: was meant to quote gundoc!) Overall their induction and continuation firearms training is abysmal compared to the NZDF front line dudes. And I don't know what sort of in depth 'situation based' live fire training they regularly undertake. I don't thinks its much. And did they account for where each and every projectile ended up??

Those figures don't bestow me with much confidence in their ability, for sure, when I know what level of training the Govt requires of a soldier, prior to putting them in a position of potentially taking a life. Thousands and thousands of live rounds per annum, per soldier.

I chuckled over the news report out of the USA recently, about a traffic stop where the ninja fatally shot the 2 police officers who pulled him over. There was a pursuit, and a gunfight.
A TV reporter asked the local sheriff "why the alleged offender had 18 bullets in him ?".....his answer: "That's all the ammunition we had available ". Sorted.