Thread: Armed Police buying lunch

I have no issue whatsoever with Police being armed. They have a right to defend themselves at all times whilst on the job.

Originally Posted by mawzer308

I have no issue whatsoever with Police being armed. They have a right to defend themselves at all times whilst on the job.

It's a shame they don't share the same view as you towards us mere mortals. We don't deserve rights.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

It's a shame they don't share the same view as you towards us mere mortals. We don't deserve rights.

Yes we have been well and truly shafted with this new legislation. We aren't the ones who are responding to potentially dangersous situations when called out though.

Originally Posted by mawzer308

Yes we have been well and truly shafted with this new legislation. We aren't the ones who are responding to potentially dangersous situations when called out though.

But we would hit what we shot at rather than spraying shots around the neighbourhood hitting buildings, putting them through windows etc. They might need to be finding their own ranges to practice on now too.

Originally Posted by mawzer308

Yes we have been well and truly shafted with this new legislation. We aren't the ones who are responding to potentially dangersous situations when called out though.

yeah right a week before we (of the blue team)took on a mad prick in eastern chch armed with a 12g.during this our optical sighted remington fieldmaster .223 semi automatic rifles managed to put 5 rounds(actually found) into a community centre and a bloody tree.so after the locals complained we gifted some tucker (KOHA and sycophantic words) .what did PM skull and I must Dash Nash police minister) plus PNHQ shiny arsed biro pushers do -6 7/8 SFA.
sunshine no way am i gonna trust some spotty herbert(tits or not)fresh out of police college toting any sort of firearms shit!I heard an ol dig copper on the coast say any policeman toting a taser should first take 5 mins to place their balls or lady equivalent balls on a heavy duty electric fence ,just to get an idea of the firepower. Besides IMHO bringing tears to a glass eye i reckoned he obviously had whats sadly lacking these days common fucking sense!

On ANZAC day i as an ex TF soldlier and wearing my newly reconstructed set of my late father WW@medals plus my own ,intend to march and honour those who fought and made the supreme sacrifice to stop smarmy arsed dictators like this current mob ,and ensure we had our democratic freedoms.
FYI Late Hon Duncan Mcintyre national MP,minister of the crown ,Hon Col NZ Scottish Armoured Corp ,and wait for it -supervisor of one corporal robert david muldoon nz cavalry,as he sat his accountancy final exams in the theatre 2nd NZEF italian campaign,together once sat in our house of representatives and conducted themselves as gentlemen , not this bloody 3 ring circus. my father drove in ammo convoys to supply the nz 25pdrs as they pounded the shit out of Cassino town in the cassino battle .
would they tolerate the limpwristed manipulative pricks we call govt now _i think not .Sir Rob Muldoon being the counterpuncher he was and a shrewd as a shithouse monkey would be ripping new arseholes right left and centre including NZ farts whiskey winnie who models himself on muldoon -mores the pity. BTW-the rozzers arent the only ones who faces dangerous pricks -as a 48yr veterasn of mental health nursing,ive dealt with more than a few that would have your latte curdlin and thats with bare fucking hands .the cops and prison officers used to shake their heads in amazement
On exercise golden fleece in `1991i had a conversation with an SAS guy who matter of factly looked at me and said "shit bro i couldnt do your job itd scare the crap outa me" raising an eyebrow and barely containing myself i politely reminded him his chosen role in life had fuck all to do with placating nice people either!
last week i completed a course in restraint yup I could knot you up so you could fit beside your xmas turkey in his dish as he bastes in the oven.Ive seen things and been in rooms with things you'd never imagine in your worst nightmare. have i paid a price yes and so have many others in the nursing profession -what have wellingtons gutless wonders done ZERO to protect us -despite promises. oh and you want irony -these pricks banned "dangerous guns: but are happily gonna legalise marijuana."its a health problen says fatso clark and the skull.yup drop ya dacks prepared to be rogered honest god fearing taxpayers cause this wee SNAFU is gonna see health costs rise faster than a cape caneveral rocket launch and the socialist bludgers and mad greenie bastards would have a cent to contribute!
lets wait for the first UD on the job ..should that happen on ANZAC day-well It will be a joy to watch the assorted carrots try to explain it away.

Originally Posted by mawzer308

Yes we have been well and truly shafted with this new legislation. We aren't the ones who are responding to potentially dangersous situations when called out though.

There will not be any dangerous situs once the firearms have been collected? Jacinda said “everything” will be safer? Less reason to arm cops. Unless it’s about intimidation?

Originally Posted by mawzer308

I have no issue whatsoever with Police being armed. They have a right to defend themselves at all times whilst on the job.

You can't defend yourself with a gun. You can defend yourself with a stick or a shield, but not a gun. A gun can only eliminate a threat.

Now, for 99% of what cops do, that gun is a threat to the cop. When you talk to a police officer, do they stand 5m away? No. So you stand and talk to a police officer and the gun is a threat to the police officer and to you. In defensive terms you are fighting over a gun. Not a good situation.

So you need two police officers. One to talk to you and one to stand off to the side and provide cover. Now you are talking to a police officer in the pie shop, at gun point.

Most of this I learned from a senior detective. The rest I learned doing firearms drills with Australian police officers in a civilian Jiu Jistu gym (this is all technically Jiu Jitsu). The senior detective described from experience the awkwardness of fighting someone while trying to throw your side arm to your partner. "Mostly a pain in the arse" I believe he said.

I'm happy for them to have an arsenal in the car, I just fail to see the logic of wearing one strapped to you. Every situation they are in right now involves a firearm, and they bought the firearm!

They are for threatening and only make sense if you use them the way the Americans or other violent countries do and just threaten people a lot and shoot a lot of people.

If I talk to police at gun point, that is not policing by consent. That is policing by coercion. They have fundamentally changed the nature of this country and its laws and principles.

Originally Posted by Tussock

You can't defend yourself with a gun. You can defend yourself with a stick or a shield, but not a gun. A gun can only eliminate a threat.

My experiences in e.g. West Africa and a Trashcanistan etc., suggest differently. Without our armed security colleagues we would have been defenceless.

Originally Posted by sightpicture

My experiences in e.g. West Africa and a Trashcanistan etc., suggest differently. Without our armed security colleagues we would have been defenceless.

True that. They are for sure a defence tool also. Why would we are the “defence force” of a country with firearms

Originally Posted by Tussock

You can't defend yourself with a gun. You can defend yourself with a stick or a shield, but not a gun. A gun can only eliminate a threat.

Now, for 99% of what cops do, that gun is a threat to the cop. When you talk to a police officer, do they stand 5m away? No. So you stand and talk to a police officer and the gun is a threat to the police officer and to you. In defensive terms you are fighting over a gun. Not a good situation.

So you need two police officers. One to talk to you and one to stand off to the side and provide cover. Now you are talking to a police officer in the pie shop, at gun point.

Most of this I learned from a senior detective. The rest I learned doing firearms drills with Australian police officers in a civilian Jiu Jistu gym (this is all technically Jiu Jitsu). The senior detective described from experience the awkwardness of fighting someone while trying to throw your side arm to your partner. "Mostly a pain in the arse" I believe he said.

I'm happy for them to have an arsenal in the car, I just fail to see the logic of wearing one strapped to you. Every situation they are in right now involves a firearm, and they bought the firearm!

They are for threatening and only make sense if you use them the way the Americans or other violent countries do and just threaten people a lot and shoot a lot of people.

If I talk to police at gun point, that is not policing by consent. That is policing by coercion. They have fundamentally changed the nature of this country and its laws and principles.

Just watching the US cops on duke tv now, the above rings true