Hi team see the attached submission form
https://consultations.justice.govt.n.../consultation/
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Hi team see the attached submission form
https://consultations.justice.govt.n.../consultation/
Ta for that!
Done
I've only had a brief look at the document, what are peoples thoughts? Superficially it looks ok, I don't see any mention of wider access to semi autos though (or did I miss this?) despite the conviction of politicians and commentators on the left that the entire purpose of this review was to arm us all with submachineguns.
This is the consultation phase of the process, so have a good read, then make a submission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Unless there is feedback, how do you expect them to read your mind as to what should/could be included.
You have a month and a bit to think it over and submit your response.
Had a quick read thru the summary discussion document. I’m disappointed to see a few critical issues listed as “out of scope”.
Eg registry, scope of police role, etc. I will be making a submission but will take my time get a better understanding of things that we can comment on and what needs changing first
@no1_49er
Yes of course I will be making a submission, merely wondering if other people are seeing anything I am missing.
A reminder for those this closes on the 28th, if you don’t submit, don’t complain !
So far doesn’t look like there is many entires.
Isn't the registry review already underway? It started back in June 2024 and was meant to take 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
It seems to have gotten very little media attention, and there have been no updates about it.
@billmavs, 28 Feb! you had me worried for a moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billymavs
Sorry mate haha, no not this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Seems to be a touchy subject for some grumpy old men in my circles, can’t have change if you don’t act for it !
I hope we have more submissions come Due date !
Nicole's fb post 7hrs ago shows that the dicussion document has only been accessed 587 times! 3 of those were me! Does no one care about firearms law? 250,000 licensed shooters, one month left for submissions, and the discussion document detailing possible future of shooting in NZ has only been looked at 587 times, including GCNZ and cronies. I am actually shocked, disillusioned, and disappointed.
Precisely why we're at this point now. "She'll be right" and "I'm alright, Jack". Great kiwi mottos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
I haven't accessed it as my submission is already done
Make a submission. Read the discussion document and make well-considered points. I will at some point post a summary of things I think are key points to target, once I've worked through it.
Wasn’t there some data that come out recently about the licensing fees being diverted to fund other projects?
I wish I’d saved these things when I came across them.
I am hoping a lot are waiting for COLFO's guidance document due out any day to use as a Template for their submission. As I said "Hoping" being the key word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
I hope this is not the case, it would be far better if we all made our own submissions without sounding like we're all saying the same things in the same words. I did mine last night, it will be all my own words and thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSA
I for one would like to see COLFOs info before submitting so I don’t overlook any key issues. No need to use their language or format, just be aware of all the issues that need addressing
https://www.colfo.org/
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COLFO and our lawyers are thoroughly reviewing the extensive documentation and will publish a submission guideline early in February. Click the link and sign up for free alerts to receive this guide as soon as it goes live.
I read the submission from gun control NZ, in which they are pushing for "Increasing the minimum age for holding a firearms licence to 18 and prohibit children under the age of 10 from using firearms"
crazy
Basically that's trying to cut the flow of new shooters into the sport - a direct attack on the recruitment of young people into healthy outdoor sports. It's a city-dweller one size fits all 'we don't care or even want to understand any other point of view' approach to rural sports, it shows the ethos of the people behind gun control NZ who effectively are not interested in promoting the traditional outdoor-centric NZ 'traditional' lifestyle in favour of a city-centric 'supermarket hunter' lifestyle.
Sad really, how good health outcomes can be ignored to further what they are claiming is a better public health outcome but which in reality is the opposite and founded on ignorance. Stats are starting to show that this approach will do nothing to improve gun crime stats and if anything, make them worse and also result in worse health outcomes for people which increases costs to the health sector. Guess we all need to push this in submissions...
My submission will focus on the plethora of new requirements we need to satisfy... especially with the registration of firearms. If you miss a step or submit something that isn't 100% correct, it's an offence and you can lose your license. If you fail to get a WoF, the penalty isn't losing your drivers licence as a result, even though your actions / negligence puts other road users at risk of injury or death. I'd also like to see clear legislation about when a firearm or ammunition is no longer such, as far as deactivated wall hangers go, and rounds for display or collection that can't be fired. And just so we are all clear on things, words matter, and definitions that are clear and unambiguous keep the courts from overflowing.
Yet there
Well, it ain't working. It appears lots of new shooters coming in. At least anecdotally.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
I actually think the 18 age has some merit, perhaps with exemptions for people under that age in full time employment requiring firearms. I have seen some 16 and 17 year olds doing stupid things with firearms. 18 is the voting age, and you can't get a full driving licence at 16 any more either.Quote:
Originally Posted by D@n
I don't think you can place an age limit on stupidity unfortunately... 16 as it is currently is fine from my estimation as it relies on character reference, training of a form, background inspection and vetting, and face to face interaction with the assessment staff which is the same for all age people wanting a licence. 18 is the age for owning airguns without a licence, so the age indication is already in place and you get a two-year benefit for going in and being vetted and sitting your licence. It's completely different to car licences and more like aviation in how stringent it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
I think your looking a bit deep in the pot there, I know of others, and myself included who have had to ring up and amend serials due to partial, incomplete/illegible or none present at the time of registration, one rifle I picked up that was grungy had a 3 in the serial, I was 100% confident it was 3 when I rung up, and after giving it a scrub and stripping back the rust and gunk a few hours later, turns out it was an 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
They were more than happy to correctly alter the details when I called to let them know there had been a cock up and happy days, no issue to have that fixed.
Bet you there’s plenty of old buggers who have had to alter and change details due to eyesight or other factors, and I’m sure there will be plenty more.
“Knowingly providing false or misleading information” IIRC
Certainly doesn’t meet the criteria of “knowingly” being a few didgits or characters out with a valid reason.
They aren’t going to come and scoop you up in a black Nissan patrol and take your licence for making a mistake., doing it with intent, as they specify, is another story.
This is a 'highly political' topic where weight of numbers will be very important in achieving a good outcome.
I would encourage you all to make a submission, but not 'pro forma' (cut and paste).
More likely a white Landcruiser with black tinted windows :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Billymavs
this p[rocess is like elephants rooting -its carried out at a high level ,lotsa lotsa noise and will take bloody ages to see any result.the cynic in me says lots of vested interests want it to fail!
irrespective of those vested interests - you have the opportunity to make suggestions on a new set of Laws - use that opportunity wisely and cross your finger that many other firearms folk will also.
Maybe in the Burbs, out here they are still rolling with the old black GU patrols and a few commodore wagons.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Good points around the general rule that if we don't toe the line then we are automatically failedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
I'll be emphasising that as well as there not being a clear path for unregistered guns to get on the list easily so they exclude a whole sector by keeping them in the grey
Also I would point out that they are skating on thin ice already in terms of keeping us inside the tent - as best I have found out the estimate is that the confiscation got 15 to 20 percent of the semiautos out there so with their clampdown on us legal FAL owners then they are are creating a black market
Whatever one's views may be on that they are probably political so i will ask you to keep them to yourselves but still note that if they say that they want better gun legislation then creating a black market is not doing what it says on the tin
I would invite them to make FAL usage easier for qualified people and also reinforce the promise laid down back in the Thorp report that Licensing should be taken away from the Police
Which I think the buy back and the registration has and is adding tooQuote:
Originally Posted by 308