Banning shortend firearms!

Not sure if this is the right place...

Own a bushpig? Ever recrowned your barrel? Ever modified your firearm in any way that made the overall length shorter, e.g. shortened the stock, barrel, butt plate?

A friend forward this link to me outlining National MPs Alister Scott's members bill that seeks to make it illegal to own any shortened firearm without a police permit. The current wording is crazy and will penalise only law abiding firearms users. Have a read and see what you think...

http://http://www.founz.co.nz/politi...ct-amendement/

Cameron Slater also has a good take on the proposed bill
http://https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/20...ing-something/

I will be emailing a few MPs, this really needs to be nipped in the bud before it gains any traction.

Ironic seeing as I started to contemplate a shortened lightweight rifle this week to make it easier on the shoulder...

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Already covered in another thread, the politician concerned has backed down due to pressure showing his amendment was stupid.

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Originally Posted by stug

Already covered in another thread, the politician concerned has backed down due to pressure showing his amendment was stupid.

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have you got a media release on that ??

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-law-proposed/

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

have you got a media release on that ??

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https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....03/index4.html

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Thanks for the link @JoshC

Sounds like they may have taken some feedback on board...

Well I completely missed the post early about this... not sure how!

This will be back, don't think this is going away.

makes about as much sense as banning sex for anyone who has been circumcised........

I told him his full frontal ignorance was showing! Got a reply saying they would do nothing that affected licenced owners!:D

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Originally Posted by Jexla

This will be back, don't think this is going away.

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Better believe it isn't dead. It will absolutely be pushed again. AND we already have a minimum rifle length in LAW, simply if it is too short it's not legal.... but of course only law abiding citizens will be affected again.

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Originally Posted by Hunty1

Not sure if this is the right place...

Own a bushpig? Ever recrowned your barrel? Ever modified your firearm in any way that made the overall length shorter, e.g. shortened the stock, barrel, butt plate?

A friend forward this link to me outlining National MPs Alister Scott's members bill that seeks to make it illegal to own any shortened firearm without a police permit. The current wording is crazy and will penalise only law abiding firearms users. Have a read and see what you think...

http://http://www.founz.co.nz/politi...ct-amendement/

Cameron Slater also has a good take on the proposed bill
http://https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/20...ing-something/

I will be emailing a few MPs, this really needs to be nipped in the bud before it gains any traction.

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Penis Envy, Alistair Scotts 'surgically shortened members bill'

From: Grace Watling <Grace.Watling@parliament.govt.nz> on behalf of Alastair Scott <Alastair.Scott@parliament.govt.nz>
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 5:23:37 PM
To: footrot flats
Subject: RE: Amendment....shortened Firearms

Dear Malcolm,


The draft bill is not going ahead in its current form.

The National Party is doing some work around the penalties for criminal use of firearms particularly by gangs.

We want to make it harder for gangs to get firearms and easier to hold them to account when they do. This makes our communities safer and that’s a real focus for the National Party. However we must always work to find the right balance, and we will be very careful not to impinge on the rights of legitimate forearms users.

As part of these efforts I have been exploring ideas to look at raising the penalties for possessing and using sawn off rifles and shotguns. Therefore, a bill was drafted for consultations and to start the conversation. The feedback coming through from legitimate firearm users and the various associations has been very clear and very helpful and will be reflected in any legislative proposal.

We will listen and we will address your concerns. The current proposal is an idea and has not been discussed by the National caucus yet, nor has any bill been entered in the Parliamentary ballot. The draft that has been circulated for feedback will need to be changed to focus more on penalties instead of a permitting system before we consider it further. We will make sure we get the balance right and we will make sure legitimate users aren’t adversely affected.

Regards,
Alastair

The above is the reply I received after sending several emails requesting some type of answer to this sargasso.........make of it as you will.....more to the point,is this just a “canned” reply,have any others received the “same”reply......thanks in advance

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Originally Posted by A330driver

The above is the reply I received after sending several emails requesting some type of answer to this sargasso.........make of it as you will.....more to the point,is this just a “canned” reply,have any others received the “same”reply......thanks in advance

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Yup. I got the same but from politician seconds and not Alastair

Well mate,if anything,at least we are taking the time write and make our voices heard(for obvious reasons),but good onya,thanks...

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Originally Posted by timattalon

Yup. I got the same but from politician seconds and not Alastair

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Same semi-auto response to me also.

Of course they don’t,just look daily or weekly into shooting events in Kiwi.....the point is,...you cant use one paint brush swipe for all criminals vs legal law abiding gun owners .....this is where the issue is.There has to be defining guidelines for each,they are literally pissing into the wind trying to make it right.

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Originally Posted by GDMP

I somewhat doubt hardened crims could care less about a higher penalty for possessing such things......the whole point of being a crim is that they have no regard for the law.

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I sometimes think Pollies go out of their way to make themselves look stupid. All its takes is a quiet common sense chat with a pet FAL holder, gunsmith or say COLFO to get any idea how stupid an idea is. The next and real Q is where did the idea originate? and why?

However really after my poor experience with an ex-green MP wanker they are not after honest / truth they are only after info to support their agenda. Sadly you cant negotiate/persuade ppl like this you just have to fight them tooth and nail in public as making them look like fools is about the only way you can beat them.

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Originally Posted by steven

I sometimes think Pollies go out of their way to make themselves look stupid. All its takes is a quiet common sense chat with a pet FAL holder, gunsmith or say COLFO to get any idea how stupid an idea is. The next and real Q is where did the idea originate? and why?

However really after my poor experience with an ex-green MP wanker they are not after honest / truth they are only after info to support their agenda. Sadly you cant negotiate/persuade ppl like this you just have to fight them tooth and nail in public as making them look like fools is about the only way you can beat them.

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“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

― Mark Twain