Thread: Cahill tells us where the criminals are getting guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZHFFPFmLg

But hold on Cahill, does this mean all the gangs are buying all the illegal drugs off 'straw buyers' as well?

Perish the thought they may be importing them in the same largely unchecked containers coming into the country?

Cahill, a known Oxygen thief, insists that criminals are obtaining their firearms from "straw buyers".
If that is the case, why are we not seeing reports of the alleged "straw buyers" being processed through the justice system? Surely, MSM would be gleefully reporting such instances?
Cahill needs to put up, or shut up.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Cahill, a known Oxygen thief, insists that criminals are obtaining their firearms from "straw buyers".
If that is the case, why are we not seeing reports of the alleged "straw buyers" being processed through the justice system? Surely, MSM would be gleefully reporting such instances?
Cahill needs to put up, or shut up.

He couldn't shut up if he tried....nor could he tell the truth...even just once....If he is so certain his ideas will work, why don't they wrk inAussie or England?

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Cahill, a known Oxygen thief, insists that criminals are obtaining their firearms from "straw buyers".
If that is the case, why are we not seeing reports of the alleged "straw buyers" being processed through the justice system? Surely, MSM would be gleefully reporting such instances?
Cahill needs to put up, or shut up.

Exactly....... and when they are put before the courts, the sentence is manifestly inadequate when compared to what illegal hunters are "threatened" with.
2 years in prison and a $100,000 fine.
When has a "straw buyer" had to sell their house to pay said $100,000 fine...... a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket seems to be the norm.

It is all rhetoric ably assisted by the Media to undermine the McKee Arms Act Reforms. We tread dangerous ground, Australian style, particularly Western Australia, gun laws might very well be inbound and given the couldn't care less attitude by NZ gun owners, as evidenced by the recent Submission numbers, do not be surprised. Cahill/Police and their fellow travellers know this so expect the Guns Bad in the Media to increase ten or twenty fold in the near future. I have a bad feeling we are going to be worse, much worse, off than where we are now.

The latest weekend gun crime stats won’t help either..

Cambell on tv1 was sickening to watch with luxon this morning. Switched off in under 30 seconds.

Originally Posted by Woody

Cambell on tv1 was sickening to watch with luxon this morning. Switched off in under 30 seconds.

Exactly, if you thought School Lunches was overkill in the Media beat up stakes watch this space.

Originally Posted by BSA

Exactly, if you thought School Lunches was overkill in the Media beat up stakes watch this space.

Especially with the likes of John Campbell wittering on and Cahill feeding the media.

Originally Posted by Woody

Cambell on tv1 was sickening to watch with luxon this morning. Switched off in under 30 seconds.

his flawed logic ("gang patches don't kill people guns kill people") is typical of "journalists" today ......
if gang patches don't kill people then guns certainly don't being another inanimate object, or if you were to believe guns kill people then the statistics would show that gang patches do in fact kill people

he's a tosser it would be good to go back to the days when we had actual reporters that reported the news rather than inflated egos pushing their own agendas .....taxpayer funded too being on tv1

I'm shocked, we've had the firearms register in place for 2 years now. Why hasn't it stopped these crimes from occurring like Cahill said it would?

Originally Posted by vulcannz

I'm shocked, we've had the firearms register in place for 2 years now. Why hasn't it stopped these crimes from occurring like Cahill said it would?

To give the devil his due.
Once everyone is registered (or at least the law abiding people) straw buyers should become impossible.
Although it should already be impossible now, anyone can sell their existing firearms to a gang/criminal and there will be no way to trace it.

If the register ends up staying (which sadly seems more and more likely the longer it goes on and the more people registered) Id like to see regular reviews into if it's worth it or not.

If it turns out to have little or no effect on criminals getting hold of guns then it should be scrapped, regardless of sunk costs.

Unfortunately I don't thinkany Government department ever does a review into cost effectiveness, or review cost vs outcome. It's just grow baby grow.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

If it turns out to have little or no effect on criminals getting hold of guns then it should be scrapped, regardless of sunk costs.

Australian experience is quite different from what Cahill and Gun Control NZ like to imply: Research suggests it is easier than ever for criminals to get guns illegally in Australia

The problem is, good intentions seem to outweigh actual outcomes, deliberately or unconsciously. And as it's a technical subject, easier for articles to go with feelings rather than facts. (Firearms aren't the only example of this and its not a new phenomenon)

Originally Posted by Beetroot

To give the devil his due.
Once everyone is registered (or at least the law abiding people) straw buyers should become impossible.
Although it should already be impossible now, anyone can sell their existing firearms to a gang/criminal and there will be no way to trace it.

If the register ends up staying (which sadly seems more and more likely the longer it goes on and the more people registered) Id like to see regular reviews into if it's worth it or not.

If it turns out to have little or no effect on criminals getting hold of guns then it should be scrapped, regardless of sunk costs.

Unfortunately I don't thinkany Government department ever does a review into cost effectiveness, or review cost vs outcome. It's just grow baby grow.

The registry has already failed. Numerous people are bring told to, and forced to enter incorrect information because the correct attribute be it calibre or make, isn't available.

Not only are you forced to commit an offense but the data is tainted on entry. There is no hope of it getting anywhere near the needed accuracy to be effective.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

The registry has already failed. Numerous people are bring told to, and forced to enter incorrect information because the correct attribute be it calibre or make, isn't available.

Not only are you forced to commit an offense but the data is tainted on entry. There is no hope of it getting anywhere near the needed accuracy to be effective.

I registered a Navy and Arms shotgun the other week. Of course Army and Navy were retailers, never made a firearm in there life and there a many manufacturers that never sold under their own name.
I have a Martini 45/70 that has a very, very, very small “M” with a flag either side. They manufactured the firearm, but their initial could be taken off and the final finishing could be by someone else, who then put their name on it, the serial number would have remained the same.