Thread: Cahill tells us where the criminals are getting guns.

God help us when they find out how dangerous cars are...

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

The registry has already failed. Numerous people are bring told to, and forced to enter incorrect information because the correct attribute be it calibre or make, isn't available.

Not only are you forced to commit an offense but the data is tainted on entry. There is no hope of it getting anywhere near the needed accuracy to be effective.

I registered a Navy and Arms shotgun the other week. Of course Army and Navy were retailers, never made a firearm in there life and there a many manufacturers that never sold under their own name.
I have a Martini 45/70 that has a very, very, very small “M” with a flag either side. They manufactured the firearm, but their initial could be taken off and the final finishing could be by someone else, who then put their name on it, the serial number would have remained the same.

Originally Posted by inglishill

Yes, well, we know that. He is very effective at scare tactics for people who do not know any better and take him at his word though. A modern day Phillip Alpers. He is also very good at deflection when questioned by a half assed reporter who is in on the scam as well. None of the media ask the questions that should be asked. I have no solutions for this immediately although.

I've noticed that too. Nz media is a disgrace, totally biased, never questioning or verifying.

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

God help us when they find out how dangerous cars are...

And they’re (mostly!) registered.

AND frequently left insecure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMHUdcMape0&t=320s

Originally Posted by BSA

Cahill is just one part of it. Go and have a listen on Parliament on Demand to the likes of Ginny Anderson, Duncan Webb and Opposition MPs rhetoric and that was only over the minor Clubs & Ranges Amendments. Believe me Cahill's latest is very tame stuff to what's coming for the full bore Arms Act Amendments and the Hunters & Shooters of our fair land better get ready to stand up for a knock down drag out fight and it's gonna be dirty. Nuff said

Seems there is a workable blueprint by way of Western Auz now.......... The anti gun crowd have had quite the win there of late.

It is the failure of the state being unable recognise that the punishment of the innocent does not reflect in the behaviour of the guilty.

It is also, perhaps, a failure of the state in that it does not care how the agendas are realised, only that they are.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

I've noticed that too. Nz media is a disgrace, totally biased, never questioning or verifying.

Funds have to presented to the Media to broadcast your agenda, ask Jacinda.

Maybe do an OIA request.

I know of a number of strawbuyers that have been arrested and charged, caught via the registry.

Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, or prolific.

Funnily enough I’ve never been involved in a case where they’ve been imported in shipping containers.

I’m not pro or the registry reall as I don’t know enough of the details, but it certainly does have some positives which I’m not determined to remain ignorant to.

Wouldn’t mind hearing about these cases if you’re able to point me in the right direction! Cheers, Jim.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Maybe do an OIA request.

I know of a number of strawbuyers that have been arrested and charged, caught via the registry.

Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, or prolific.

Funnily enough I’ve never been involved in a case where they’ve been imported in shipping containers.

I’m not pro or the registry reall as I don’t know enough of the details, but it certainly does have some positives which I’m not determined to remain ignorant to.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...rt-of-tauranga

On the "Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, or prolific." if Customs IS finding firearms but if they are only checking 7% of containers...

The thing is that straw byers were being caught before the registry anyway. Dealers are required to keep records however, being reported stolen and/or having it's numbers removed can break any solid connection to it's origional purchaser.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Maybe do an OIA request.

I know of a number of strawbuyers that have been arrested and charged, caught via the registry.

Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, or prolific.

Funnily enough I’ve never been involved in a case where they’ve been imported in shipping containers.

I’m not pro or the registry reall as I don’t know enough of the details, but it certainly does have some positives which I’m not determined to remain ignorant to.

I'd be happier with the registry if we had a proper constitution in NZ. I'm all for cracking down in straw buyers but don't like how our rights can be stripped on a whim via "orders in council".
What I hear about WA concerns me very much.

Im not opposed to registration.

I am opposed to the Police administering it. Having had my details released in data leaks not once but twice by the blue gang I am no longer able to trust them in any matters what so ever.

Originally Posted by fawkes

Im not opposed to registration.

I am opposed to the Police administering it. Having had my details released in data leaks not once but twice by the blue gang I am no longer able to trust them in any matters what so ever.

Regardless of who’s administering there is always the chance of a data leak occurring as it comes down to human error.

Look at all the other government departments who have had data leaks over recent years.

Originally Posted by Seventenths

Regardless of who’s administering there is always the chance of a data leak occurring as it comes down to human error.

Look at all the other government departments who have had data leaks over recent years.

So you're saying "yes we are shit but so is everyone else"

If this is your idea of a logical argument maybe you should stick with play-doh

Police have failed with databases (C-cat and E cat riddled with errors) cost overruns (INCIS) and even had several officers disciplined for accessing information illegally (numerous but the latest was all the coppers checking the file of the officer killed by some Nelson scum on NYE)

Police are not trusted with administering the register because they keep fucking it up

Stop trying to say that the grass is blue and the sky is green

Originally Posted by 308

Police are not trusted with administering the register because they keep fucking it up

to add to this I would suggest Police should not be trusted with administering the register as having set themselves up as an anti-gun lobby group to the govt they have a clear conflict of interest