Cahill tells us where the criminals are getting guns.

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Originally Posted by Savage1

Maybe do an OIA request.

I know of a number of strawbuyers that have been arrested and charged, caught via the registry.

Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not happening, or prolific.

Funnily enough I’ve never been involved in a case where they’ve been imported in shipping containers.

I’m not pro or the registry reall as I don’t know enough of the details, but it certainly does have some positives which I’m not determined to remain ignorant to.

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I'd be happier with the registry if we had a proper constitution in NZ. I'm all for cracking down in straw buyers but don't like how our rights can be stripped on a whim via "orders in council".
What I hear about WA concerns me very much.

Im not opposed to registration.

I am opposed to the Police administering it. Having had my details released in data leaks not once but twice by the blue gang I am no longer able to trust them in any matters what so ever.

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Originally Posted by fawkes

Im not opposed to registration.

I am opposed to the Police administering it. Having had my details released in data leaks not once but twice by the blue gang I am no longer able to trust them in any matters what so ever.

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Regardless of who’s administering there is always the chance of a data leak occurring as it comes down to human error.

Look at all the other government departments who have had data leaks over recent years.

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Originally Posted by Seventenths

Regardless of who’s administering there is always the chance of a data leak occurring as it comes down to human error.

Look at all the other government departments who have had data leaks over recent years.

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So you're saying "yes we are shit but so is everyone else"

If this is your idea of a logical argument maybe you should stick with play-doh

Police have failed with databases (C-cat and E cat riddled with errors) cost overruns (INCIS) and even had several officers disciplined for accessing information illegally (numerous but the latest was all the coppers checking the file of the officer killed by some Nelson scum on NYE)

Police are not trusted with administering the register because they keep fucking it up

Stop trying to say that the grass is blue and the sky is green

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Originally Posted by 308

Police are not trusted with administering the register because they keep fucking it up

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to add to this I would suggest Police should not be trusted with administering the register as having set themselves up as an anti-gun lobby group to the govt they have a clear conflict of interest

Got to wonder if if the countrys running rampant with straw buyers why so many gun shops are closing down. Plus surley theres no such thing as paying someone not to check a container.? How about that container of the mongols that was flagged to be checked a while back and suddenly dissapeared and was found empty ??? Just cause the police said so hmmm could correct or covering arse??

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Originally Posted by scotty

his flawed logic ("gang patches don't kill people guns kill people") is typical of "journalists" today ......
if gang patches don't kill people then guns certainly don't being another inanimate object, or if you were to believe guns kill people then the statistics would show that gang patches do in fact kill people

he's a tosser it would be good to go back to the days when we had actual reporters that reported the news rather than inflated egos pushing their own agendas .....taxpayer funded too being on tv1

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I'm in the 80% (and rising) that neither trust nor watch legacy media, so they are mostly preaching to their own choir.

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Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

Surely Cahill would be parading this multitude of straw buyers through the streets if they actually existed. I've only seen a couple of cases make headlines, and considering how even airguns are shown in media photos as part of "illegal weapons" seizures when they turn up at a bust, the absence of stories about newly charged or convicted straw buyers is a big red flag.

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The last time I heard of a straw buyer that made it to the news for buying guns and onselling them to unlicenced people (gang members?) was NOT picked up by the register as it had not started yet. It was p[icked up by a large gunstore noticing something unusual in their own sales records and they bought it to the Police for investigation yet somehow Cahill and the media made it seem like the gunshops fault... And if it had not been for the meticulus attention to detail by the gun shop the Police would have never known 'cos they certainly were not looking....

I’m sure there are a few straw buyers out there. It would be a bloody miracle if there wasn’t given the police & powers that be thought it was ok to grant FAL to gang members, associates & 501 deportees. WTF ?!? It’s exactly the same problem that lead to the Tarrant situation.

The stupid (actually its negligence) outcome of the police, politicians & media refusing to recognise the biggest risk out there, which is illegal importation of firearms is that this risk is not being addressed!! Can’t fix something until you get your big boys pants on & admit there’s a problem. Failure to do this is negligence imo.

The register is always at risk of being leaked, compromised or hacked. In fact all 3. And it’s already been compromised by police staff on at least one case the public are aware of. Yes, if the administration of registry sat with another govt department the same risks apply. The stupid (dangerous) part about the way this register has been set up is that multiple govt entities have access to it. From memory 6 - 8 departments. So the risk of data getting leaked or sent to bad people is massively increased. Hence why I’m totally opposed to the register.

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Originally Posted by chainsaw

I’m sure there are a few straw buyers out there. It would be a bloody miracle if there wasn’t given the police & powers that be thought it was ok to grant FAL to gang members, associates & 501 deportees. WTF ?!? It’s exactly the same problem that lead to the Tarrant situation.

The stupid (actually its negligence) outcome of the police, politicians & media refusing to recognise the biggest risk out there, which is illegal importation of firearms is that this risk is not being addressed!! Can’t fix something until you get your big boys pants on & admit there’s a problem. Failure to do this is negligence imo.

The register is always at risk of being leaked, compromised or hacked. In fact all 3. And it’s already been compromised by police staff on at least one case the public are aware of. Yes, if the administration of registry sat with another govt department the same risks apply. The stupid (dangerous) part about the way this register has been set up is that multiple govt entities have access to it. From memory 6 - 8 departments. So the risk of data getting leaked or sent to bad people is massively increased. Hence why I’m totally opposed to the register.

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Well, we don't know that the importation is a majority of the risk because only 7% of the containers are checked. We can say we think this may be a major source, but we can't prove it. We need to check more containers, period.

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Originally Posted by 308

So you're saying "yes we are shit but so is everyone else"

If this is your idea of a logical argument maybe you should stick with play-doh

Police have failed with databases (C-cat and E cat riddled with errors) cost overruns (INCIS) and even had several officers disciplined for accessing information illegally (numerous but the latest was all the coppers checking the file of the officer killed by some Nelson scum on NYE)

Police are not trusted with administering the register because they keep fucking it up

Stop trying to say that the grass is blue and the sky is green

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Unsure why you need to be so angry all the time and like to insult.

Your misinterpreting what I’m saying, as long as there are people running data bases there is always the chance of a data leak regardless of what checks and balances are put in place and regardless of what government department hold information.

Yes, by all means place the firearms registry into the hands of someone independent of the police, change the name, flash lettering, give it a colour but you still run into the issues of potential data leaks!

In a perfect world we wouldn’t need databases and like you I was also against registration as it didn’t work the first time around here in NZ which is why it got abolished in 1983 and from what I see it’s not working in other countries either for that matter, think of Canada as a recent example.

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Originally Posted by Seventenths

Unsure why you need to be so angry all the time and like to insult.

Your misinterpreting what I’m saying, as long as there are people running data bases there is always the chance of a data leak regardless of what checks and balances are put in place and regardless of what government department hold information.

Yes, by all means place the firearms registry into the hands of someone independent of the police, change the name, flash lettering, give it a colour but you still run into the issues of potential data leaks!

In a perfect world we wouldn’t need databases and like you I was also against registration as it didn’t work the first time around here in NZ which is why it got abolished in 1983 and from what I see it’s not working in other countries either for that matter, think of Canada as a recent example.

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Don't worry about him, the bloke is a fuckin tosser who likes to think he is far more important than he really is.

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Originally Posted by inglishill

Well, we don't know that the importation is a majority of the risk because only 7% of the containers are checked. We can say we think this may be a major source, but we can't prove it. We need to check more containers, period.

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They won't address this, as its just too big of a problem. Over a Million TEU's enter NZ annually. Divide by 365 = 2740 A DAY

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Originally Posted by XR500

They won't address this, as its just too big of a problem. Over a Million TEU's enter NZ annually. Divide by 365 = 2740 A DAY

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Then we will never know, either way. Well, we will, once they stop the ability for anyone to get firearms and confiscate all the known ones, and, we still have gun crime, they will be forced to.

They have this mat.....

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Originally Posted by Seventenths

Unsure why you need to be so angry all the time and like to insult.

Your misinterpreting what I’m saying, as long as there are people running data bases there is always the chance of a data leak regardless of what checks and balances are put in place and regardless of what government department hold information.

Yes, by all means place the firearms registry into the hands of someone independent of the police, change the name, flash lettering, give it a colour but you still run into the issues of potential data leaks!

In a perfect world we wouldn’t need databases and like you I was also against registration as it didn’t work the first time around here in NZ which is why it got abolished in 1983 and from what I see it’s not working in other countries either for that matter, think of Canada as a recent example.

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I'm only angry when people try pissing in my pocket then tell me it's raining and I only insult people who are deserving of such sobriquets as police apologist, you get the idea. If I wanted to actually insult you rather than calling out your idea as bullshit then you would know all about it

I am not misrepresenting what you are saying, I understand that there is relative performance of government departments, I am saying that police are knuckle-draggers compared to the IT abilities of IRD or even Internal Affairs or whatever the hell they are calling themselves these days
We all know that ACC is a bullying culture, Corrections is a shitshow and KO are wasteful eedjits who ignore a budget in favour of the treaty

I'm saying that Popo have form in this area for screwing things up and also. as Scotty pointed out above thread, they have shown their politicisation as being anti FAL owners and are now a political pressure group and therefore have a conflict of interest

Please do not forget, Police have shown their hand as being anti FAL and as such they are now our enemies - I spoke to a guy I work with only last week about an ongoing crime being committed and will I report it? Fuck no
If a problem occurs in my neighbourhood will I call Police? Haha you must be joking

That ship has sailed and gone

I'll comply with the law as far as I have to but the blue gang can go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as far as I care