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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133...-hamilton-club
@zimmer beat me to it in off topic)
I should have posted it in Firearm Safety though....
Yeah my old small bore club got broken into years ago (before my time) and all the club rifles got stolen
They cut the safe open with an angle grinder apparently
The fact of the matter is truthfully do we think that a gun club that only gets visitors a couple of times a week at most is a good place to store firearms? I don’t think so personally
Our club lerned from the mistake and from then on the rifles were stored by one of the committee members who we had also appointed club armour talking 15 years since i had anything to do with the club so might have changed
Why don't the police just see who has registered these firearms now? That will surely lead them straight there. Crime solved, durr!
Oh sorry. I just realised stealing firearms isn't an "activating circumstance"
Drat for them eh.
Update
https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-ne...Pos=0#cxrecs_s
Still 11 firearms missing...
It's a sad fact that the advent of battery disc grinders with skinny cut off discs has rendered pretty much any security ineffective, short of something so massive as to be prohibitively expensive, not just gun safes either, locked forestry gates, access to walking trails, etc are fair game these days.
This is what the Police in Western Australia are pushing for, 6mm thick safes. This will basically mean all current safes and those available to buy will not be up to the new specifications. It will be prohibitive to import one and illegal to build one.Quote:
Originally Posted by shananah
Then you gota lift or trolly jack it inside yr house or storage garage.Be a heavy bitch of a safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
A photo recently on stuff where the boys in blue busted some gang boyos knee deep in illicits including 5 firearms that looked suspiciously like club target rifles with aperture sights etc.
bet the gang heirachy turned the air blue too hwen the realised their Xmas bonuses and product was now in the hands of costers cuddly commandoes.
My gun safe is a home made item, made out of 5mm steel plate, it's about as tall as me (6'2") it weighs slightly north of "heavy as f#ck" during my "inspection" it was noted I was "not messing around when it came to security" :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Trout
Did the inspector still give it a shake to make sure it's bolted down ?
makes me wonder if putting plywood boxing around outside and encasing in a good 100mm of concrete has merit..sure as shit would stop it being carried away LOL.
Before I got given a safe I was going to build one and do a combination of 4mm steel with hardy board on the inside and macrocarpa on the outside with some floating steel rods in there for good measure. It's not just battery grinders now either. I have seen other tools that will make short work of 8mm mild steel
A good one is reinforcing mesh sandwiched between sheets of 18mm MDF, if they use a skilsaw, they'll have teeth flying at them and if they use a grinder they'll suffocate themselves on the smoke.
Also like the idea of free spinning steel rods, that'll slow anyone down. Hardest part to protect is the hinges.
Nothing is fool proof but for most people A better upgrade would be an alarm system. Than some crazy tricked out safe.
A as a deterrent. And B) to reduce the time willing to spend in the property..C) protects your other assets too.
Its risk vs reward.
Make the risk righer, the rewards harder to get and less attractive to even attempt.
CCTV isnt even that expensive now.
You can even get lots of 3rd party add ons that can read number plates. Recognise faces. Do motion detection and set up alerts. Even smart enough to detect a cat and only ping you when its a person or something else.
He just smiled and said he had zero concerns about security :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
reinforcing mesh will NOT stop a skilly in proficient hands, I have, on at least two occasions trimmed 5mm I beams with a skilly (although you need to finish the cut through the web with a sabre saw)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan88
It sounds impossible but it isn't....plus you can also now get metal blades for skill saws....
The robustness of your storage is meaningless if criminals hold a weapon to your partner or child and say "Give us you gun safe keys" or "Open the safe."Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
When I renewed my firearms licence during the winter I had a discussion around security with my interviewer/vetter.
We agreed that gunsafes keep out the casual thief, the walk-in & grab what's lying about and skedaddle type of criminal.
The serious thief will either have the tools to break open your safe or weapons to threaten you or your loved ones.
This is why I oppose the registry which in criminal hands is a shopping list of weapons.
By the way the inspection of my safes consisted of opening them so he could feel the bolt heads.
He didn't check to see if there were bolts holding the safes down.
I could have just glued bolt heads the the safe walls and floor.
Fibre cement sheet, burns the tips off the tungsten carbide blades through friction... Cheap to add a few sheets of that into the wall behind the mesh. The mesh is really there for chainsaws to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedrex
My brother is a loss adjuster in South Africa. He was assigned an insurance claim for a cash sorting facility that held 6 or 7 figures of cash on a good day. A gang of serious burglars managed to disable an alarm, and using a petrol-powered grinder, cut through a steel door, a steel security gate with 18mm bars, another gate, and were in the process of grinding their way through a strong room door that was basically a sandwich of 2x10mm toughened steel plates with a 200mm concrete and mesh core when they apparently ran out of discs or fuel for the grinder. According to my brother, the destruction was unreal, and the smell of grinding was still strong a couple of days after the fact when he got there. There is very little that will stop a truly determined thief!
A side note- turned out the alarm was disabled by an inside man, (always the weak point) giving the burglars the whole night to do their thing.
Way back, when battery grinders came on the scene I read somewhere that if your safe could survive, without entry, 2 cutoff disks and one backup battery it was deemed to have provided reasonable security.
I don't know what happened to that statement in recent times and wonder if it was a rough rule of thumb proposed at the time that either didn't catch on or was invalid.