Thread: Clubs and ranges - consultation begins

https://www.deerstalkers.org.nz/reso...R66U8iH9mGJRcL

https://portal.deerstalkers.org.nz/d...467/default/?&

consultation feedback due by 21st june

Interesting that the proposal for pistol ranges is effectively unchanged from the current regime with only a couple of tweaks (e.g. reduced annual reporting, and club members can make up their 12 range visits at any clubs sanctioned event).

Non-pistol ranges would have to comply with range standing orders that had been approved by either a "governing body" (e.g. a club or an association) or the "regulator" (i.e. Firearms Safety Authority). But other than that, there would be no "certification" of non-pistol ranges.

Greetings,
I see that the Range Safety document is mentioned in the appendix so those operating sub standard ranges would be at some legal risk. Although there is no requirement for registration all club ranges still need to be enrolled so it is not business as it was.
Regards Grandpamac.

Our club received this, which was presented to committee yesterday. It appears a "streamlined version" of what they wanted initially. Our thoughts are maybe wait and see what transpires in the review before doing anything

Funny they haven't cleared up the obvious and enduring confusion in the legislation's definition of "what is a range"...

Primary land use or primarily used by members of the public for shooting... what constitutes "designated area"... does a facility have to be permanent...

Probably don't know the answer to that to be fair - they'd want it to err on the side of "it's a range" but a farm paddock next to a cliff used 6x a year is in no way primary use, and it's not accessible by members of the public, and, and...

Greetings,
I expect there will be more detain in the Regulations. The sections in the range rules on casual sighting in may be an indication. Any form of competition may be a trigger as would use by a club.

Interesting they ask you to submit the info via email. The police currently run self-signed certificates on their email gateways - which in IT security terms is a big no no and considered insecure.

This is the local rags take on it here

Interesting the arguments about noise, pollution and other environmental impacts. It's not related at all to the "firearms safety" aspects of the discussion around arms legislation, reporting requirements and administration burden for clubs and ranges.

One wonders if the Phillipa Yasbeks of this world actually understand how the legislation works or if they are being intentionally murky to make firearms user groups appear worse than they actually are. Your average motorcross track would be worse for peak and average noise levels when compared to a range, would occupy a greater land footprint and see more pollution generated from fuel and oils burnt. Greater cost for injuries sustained too...

submissions due by tomorrow

Greetings,
Just read through the NZDA submission which was mostly supportive of the proposal for ranges. I suggest we should all read them. The NZDA submission is available on their web site.
GPM.

Police association and others say the firearm law reforms are undemocratic: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/3503...ed-critics-say

“Focussed consultation” had been sent out to select groups on May 28, with submissions due by June 21, a timeframe Labour described as “exceptionally short” for such an important issue.

F*** me the level of hypocrisy there is off the charts considering what labour did, remember when those wankers changed the order of readings in parliament to deliberately catch David Seymour out. Then they all thought it was funny!

Hypocracy aplenty from the Police Association. Don't know if they have been excluded from the consulration process but doubt whatever "contribution" they sought to make would be of any benefit. I remember how they supported the rushed introduction of the new laws that were supposed to protect public safety but did nothing to thwart criminal misuse of firearms because the new laws completely missed hitting the real cause of the problems.
Sadly, Police can't be trusted to constructively contribute to firearms legislation so not much point in asking that they do. Far too much of their own biases to make fair and balanced contributions possible.
I'll never forget that the Police issued Tarrant with his firearms license and brought all this sh*t down on we lawful licensed firearms owners.

Greetings All,
Another wet day. I found a programme for the changes to the arms laws on the NZDA web site today based on a release by Nicole. I found it interesting. She divided the programme into 4 phases. Phase 1 was about Firearms Prohibition Orders and is now before the Justice Committee. Phase 2 was the Regulation of Shooting Clubs and Ranges for which the initial consultation closed last Friday. Phase 3 was the the review of the Firearms Registry and the relocation of the Firearms Safety Authority from the Police to another Government Department. Work on the first of these has commenced. Phase 4 was the rewriting of the Arms Act with a view to passing the law before the end of the current term which I guess is late 2026.
There are a lot of moving parts in all this and many are dependant on others with the rewriting of the Arms Act and passing it into law being the critical event. We would be unwise to expect much in the way of change prior to the end of next year.
Regards Grandpamac.