Apparently it's OK for somebody who has been sentenced to home detention for "domestic violence" to have access to firearms https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...NXJVOPBMN3MFI/
Oh yeh, I'm feeling safer, already.
I know.
The regisry will fix that.
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Apparently it's OK for somebody who has been sentenced to home detention for "domestic violence" to have access to firearms https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...NXJVOPBMN3MFI/
Oh yeh, I'm feeling safer, already.
I know.
The regisry will fix that.
Commissioner Coster just announced that the offender was not a licenced firearms owner.
Explain again how the registry will prevent this?
yes how the hell did he get it- is there a chain store called the gang gun shop only they know about- I hope no dumb idiot with a FAL loaned it to him -that's their license gone and bloody good job - but I suspect that there is no,s of firearms out there held by people with no FAL and no scruples and no registry will fix that
This is a public service announcement, keep this thread “on the right line” or else it will be binned real quick.
Hope the affected families have time to grieve before this is politicized both here and in the more public domains
That's a new one for the site safety supervisor added to add to the hazard ID board.
If its a diverted gun, that is purchased by a license holder and then diverted to an unlicensed person, the register gives Police a much better ability to find those people.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpys
Other than that, it won't and I'm not sure why people think any different.
A quick scuff of a grinder ( mostly) negates registration.Quote:
Originally Posted by HG Man
Gangs still have plenty of unregistered guns. Just saying . .
Well they're smuggling drugs into the country by the ton, you can't tell me they're not bringing in illegal firearms aswell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Allizdog
Drugs are way easier to detect than guns, drugs & firearms go hand in hand, no shortage of drugs on the streetsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bert 71
A quick audit of licence holders registered guns will highlight this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
Rest assured criminals will find a way around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longrun
Guys, Mr Coster says your the problem and implores you to stop selling your legal firearms to the the grey market. You are one of two problems he has. FFS
I understand well enough. The licenced holder will still be responsible for firearms registered to their licence.
I give Coster credit that he didn't generalise and actually said a tiny (or maybe a very smal) minority of licensed fire arms owners likely sell on to criminals. And he is probably correct.
He also said that registration has put the spot light on owners to ensure that their security was tight. I agree with him on that. He was actually more objective about the event than some on here.
While most of the criticism of registration is valid we shouldn't be blinded to any benefits or become too subjective.
When things like yesterday happen some on here are inclined to immediately whine like they are the biggest victims. Spare me.
It is amazing how officials and media have succeeded to divert attention away from, convicted criminals walking around freely in our society to firearms registry issues...
Maybe the other problem he has is his grasp of reality???Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
If you listen between the lines, especially to Coster, that horse has bolted.Quote:
Originally Posted by distant stalker
I wouldn’t give the guy any credit, he’s the worst police commissioner ever and shouldn’t be in the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Actually, my bad. That was Cahill’s interview I was referring to. Not Coster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Be nice if he gave figures and not just blame licenced firearm owners. Remember we didn’t have a problem, the police were the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
One thing the registry will show is the numbers of firearms with the same serial number. I found a rem with a repeat serial a while back, I think they restarted them from A about 5 times now and the overlap on M700's runs to about 3 times? There were a couple of periods with two letter prefixes, but in general it's actually surprising how little manufacturers really bothered with making sure serial numbers weren't repeated.
The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
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have to say police is not the problem, the real problem the pressures of living, and lack of hope or believes, or just no ones gave him some positive talks no matter what shithole he is in at the moment. It `s easy to give up or giving in, finding a easy way out is easy, but moving forward, going with the plan is hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Words are just that…smart words !
Talk is cheap , we are about to spend a billion …not millions but billion of dollars chasing our tails , chasing legally held firearms , for what benefit ?
Think of a snake eating it’s tail, that’s what we are looking at.
So at best a firearm is used in a robbery, it’s tracked back to the owner , who is taken to court , punished , banned from owning firearms ?
And the offender? Going by the latest convictions ? Make your own judgement.
Value for money ?
we were discussing this on side of bush trail today while waiting for the billy to boil..... if we use for arguments sake a figure of 10,000 were imported and also for arguments sake suggest that over last 30 years the LICENCED community had kept a hold of 9500 of them..the rest either died or dissapeared.... and MOST licenced folk behaved and handed them in to crusher there would still be the origonal 500 that just dont exist or exist but arent out in open...I personally saw a sks sitting in farm shed a month after they were goneburgers...just sitting on 44gallon drum in an open shed...... not my place to say anything as was at work....Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroahunta
Yep, I was in one importer/dealer's shop when they opened a shipment of SKS - a 'come and have a look at this' moment. Certainly an impressive sight - I wasn't interested in SKS then but have used them for knocking pest numbers of goats over since. Can def. say that that one shipment was a very large chunk of the reported numbers from the buy back.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroahunta
The issue I think we will find with the registry is the 'idea' of it is all ok. The problem is, even if we cut the supply from the legally-held firearms off today there are still oceans out there and how the hell do you make a dent in that? A thousand or so guns confiscated through raids each year isn't even a dent. No one has even mentioned how to tackle this, and a registry will not fix this. Which makes doing the registry at circa 1.5million a week rather questionable as an exercise when the real problem needs every cent of that directed to it.
Given that we were importing them from somewhere after 1956 or so, say 65 years I'd say the odds are on that it would be more than 10,000. Be interesting to know how many Mausers were imported of the various types, I think several thousand M48 type were imported by Sportways in Mt Eden alone. A lot of them would have been reworked for sporters, bloody nice actions for that if somewhat deeply roll-stamped across the front ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
At the Select committee verbal submission time the gentleman in question who owns the largest single gunshop chain in NZ stated that just his shop alone had imported over 200,000 rifles that fitted the MSSA tag. He made this statement I believe, to show just how far out the budget for the buy back was.
.....in the end the budget wasn't broken...cause of the 57,000 firearms total handed back in, less than 20,000 could be categorised as MSSA's.
I'm not sure if the video footage taken at the select committee hearings is still available on line, but if it is anyone can go listen to the man stating the numbers.
Anyone who thinks gangs arent importing firearms along with their drugs is living in a dream world. Police and Customs have no show of stopping containers of drugs entering NZ , so theres no way they can stop firearms either.
Its just easier victimising the law-abiding owners because we are a soft target that will simply roll over and comply.
so less than 10% so 90% are still out there SOMEWHERE.....Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
I went to 4 buyback places to hand shit in. The thing stuck out like dogs balls to me was fuck all skss being handed in. They must be the most common semi center fire in nz other than an ar
Not sure where you got the Billion dollar figure from. The contract is for $13M over 5 years. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/128...ister-contractQuote:
Originally Posted by stingray
when has a government contrated job ever gone within budget LOL????
IRD came in under budget and actually before the projected completion date. Thats prob the biggest IT project NZ's ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Still not successful. Can't contact them, not enough people to process emails so they've stopped that as an option, MyIR never seems to work or get a response and booking a callback for three days time when you don't know what you are planning tomorrow is laughable. The system is so good I got a printed letter chasing me up for my last employer stopping contributions to Kiwisaver (in their defence they tend to do that when ACC farks you around so much that the employer buys you out of the contract and you are no longer employed by them) but if IRD had bothered to check they would have seen exactly whats going on with over a 2-year block of ACC flagged payments on my returns.
That's only software provision. The rest of it including hardware, infrastructure to house the hardware and labour/opex is additional.Quote:
Originally Posted by HG Man
I'd go out on a limb and state that as AR's only became commonplace fairly recently in the picture after a couple of legal challenges to the import restrictions, I would be absolutely surprised if the numbers of AR's got anywhere close to the amount of SK series firearms imported. The problem we currently have is that we are still in this situation of trying to classify a firearm as safe by it's appearance and features. That's completely irrelevant to anything to do with safety, a firearm lying on the floor has never in the history of inanimate objects ever gotten up by itself, loaded itself and pulled it's own trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Unfortunately, bad people will use whatever they can get to do bad things and the main problem we have at the moment is a system of governance and regulation that appears to not understand the effects of it's actions and how to actually fix what they are identifying as weak points in their system. It would seem that cut-and-paste UN-sponsored 'solutions' aren't helping a jot as well as dumb ideas imported by a bunch of used import Pomgolian bobbies.
Is it? I haven't read anywhere thats the case. Its a multi year contract, that rules out that its just for the software provision.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
The $208 million funded in Budget 2022 is for the first four years of an 11 years funding model for Te Tari Pūreke and will be used to establish the regulator, develop and manage the firearms registry, and resource the regulator to establish new teams and functions to better assist us working with the firearms community.
https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/...ri-p%C5%ABreke
Not even close to a Billion..