Community safety?

[no1_49er]

Apparently it's OK for somebody who has been sentenced to home detention for "domestic violence" to have access to firearms https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckla...NXJVOPBMN3MFI/
Oh yeh, I'm feeling safer, already.
I know.
The regisry will fix that.

[stumpys]

Commissioner Coster just announced that the offender was not a licenced firearms owner.

Explain again how the registry will prevent this?

[Barry the hunter]

yes how the hell did he get it- is there a chain store called the gang gun shop only they know about- I hope no dumb idiot with a FAL loaned it to him -that's their license gone and bloody good job - but I suspect that there is no,s of firearms out there held by people with no FAL and no scruples and no registry will fix that

[tiroahunta]

yes how the hell did he get it- is there a chain store called the gang gun shop only they know about- I hope no dumb idiot with a FAL loaned it to him -that's their license gone and bloody good job - but I suspect that there is no,s of firearms out there held by people with no FAL and no scruples and no registry will fix that

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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[Micky Duck]

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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we were discussing this on side of bush trail today while waiting for the billy to boil..... if we use for arguments sake a figure of 10,000 were imported and also for arguments sake suggest that over last 30 years the LICENCED community had kept a hold of 9500 of them..the rest either died or dissapeared.... and MOST licenced folk behaved and handed them in to crusher there would still be the origonal 500 that just dont exist or exist but arent out in open...I personally saw a sks sitting in farm shed a month after they were goneburgers...just sitting on 44gallon drum in an open shed...... not my place to say anything as was at work....

[No.3]

we were discussing this on side of bush trail today while waiting for the billy to boil..... if we use for arguments sake a figure of 10,000 were imported and also for arguments sake suggest that over last 30 years the LICENCED community had kept a hold of 9500 of them..the rest either died or dissapeared.... and MOST licenced folk behaved and handed them in to crusher there would still be the origonal 500 that just dont exist or exist but arent out in open...I personally saw a sks sitting in farm shed a month after they were goneburgers...just sitting on 44gallon drum in an open shed...... not my place to say anything as was at work....

Given that we were importing them from somewhere after 1956 or so, say 65 years I'd say the odds are on that it would be more than 10,000. Be interesting to know how many Mausers were imported of the various types, I think several thousand M48 type were imported by Sportways in Mt Eden alone. A lot of them would have been reworked for sporters, bloody nice actions for that if somewhat deeply roll-stamped across the front ring.

[No.3]

The amount of firearms handed in at the buyback did not equal the amount of SKSs imported up to that point, by just possibly one importer. Bet your sweet ass there's plenty of firearm not held by licensed people out there.....

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Yep, I was in one importer/dealer's shop when they opened a shipment of SKS - a 'come and have a look at this' moment. Certainly an impressive sight - I wasn't interested in SKS then but have used them for knocking pest numbers of goats over since. Can def. say that that one shipment was a very large chunk of the reported numbers from the buy back.

The issue I think we will find with the registry is the 'idea' of it is all ok. The problem is, even if we cut the supply from the legally-held firearms off today there are still oceans out there and how the hell do you make a dent in that? A thousand or so guns confiscated through raids each year isn't even a dent. No one has even mentioned how to tackle this, and a registry will not fix this. Which makes doing the registry at circa 1.5million a week rather questionable as an exercise when the real problem needs every cent of that directed to it.

[HG Man]

Explain again how the registry will prevent this?

If its a diverted gun, that is purchased by a license holder and then diverted to an unlicensed person, the register gives Police a much better ability to find those people.

Other than that, it won't and I'm not sure why people think any different.

[Finnwolf]

If its a diverted gun, that is purchased by a license holder and then diverted to an unlicensed person, the register gives Police a much better ability to find those people.

Other than that, it won't and I'm not sure why people think any different.

A quick scuff of a grinder ( mostly) negates registration.

[Longrun]

A quick scuff of a grinder ( mostly) negates registration.

A quick audit of licence holders registered guns will highlight this.

[Finnwolf]

A quick audit of licence holders registered guns will highlight this.

Rest assured criminals will find a way around that.

[on2it]

A quick scuff of a grinder ( mostly) negates registration.

That's not entirely true as there are several ways, both chemical and electrical, to recover the markings from the sub-surface crystalline structure. I'm not a forensic metallurgist so don't know but I expect overstamping the ground area with a series of XXX's would make this a more difficult exercise.

[PadLo]

That's not entirely true as there are several ways, both chemical and electrical, to recover the markings from the sub-surface crystalline structure. I'm not a forensic metallurgist so don't know but I expect overstamping the ground area with a series of XXX's would make this a more difficult exercise.

Bruh, they found a dead body in a field in Woodend, left it because forensics were off for the evening, literally left a body in a field, came back the next day and it was gone........because the killer came back and moved it to a new location...

...and you think they are going to forensically match a 223 or 22lr round to a 'deregistered' rifle.....

[No.3]

That's not entirely true as there are several ways, both chemical and electrical, to recover the markings from the sub-surface crystalline structure. I'm not a forensic metallurgist so don't know but I expect overstamping the ground area with a series of XXX's would make this a more difficult exercise.

Not as easy as you'd think, and a grinder generally doesn't piss around when it starts removing metal crystalline or not. Most stampings in firearms aren't deeply upsetting the metal to the point where there is a major structural change because of fatigue purposes.

[kotuku]

That's not entirely true as there are several ways, both chemical and electrical, to recover the markings from the sub-surface crystalline structure. I'm not a forensic metallurgist so don't know but I expect overstamping the ground area with a series of XXX's would make this a more difficult exercise.

what you think our coppers are akin to CSI- theyre going to forensically examine every firearm they recover ?Id sauspect not acheiving ruling masters agendas.