Thread: Complaint about Arms Amendment Regulations 2022

Thought I’d post this up from NZ Sporting Shooters. Wasn’t sure how many would follow links so copied all to here. Remember, this affects us all.


Dear Sporting Shooters,

Attached is a letter from the Regulations Review Committee in response to COLFOs complaint.

Essentially, they have accepted COLFOs complaint on the face of it and are seeking a written report from Police. We will then have a chance to present an oral hearing. I would expect at least a month until we hear from them with an oral submission invite – the Police are likely to take a while to respond.

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE. By SSANZ member Charlie B

Wise decisions are made when unbiased people objectively consider factual evidence that may or may not be consistent with their own beliefs.

Decisions that are based on emotions, ideologies or prejudices generally turn out to have harmful consequences for those that they are imposed upon.

If the significant changes to our firearms regulations were based on evidence that there people will be more safe, then most LFOs woiuld agree and willingly comply for their own benefit as well as that of the rest of the people.

Where is this evidence?

If we look it cannot be found.
If we ask the police and Labour MPs, they cannot provide any.
If we ask Members of Parliament for this evidence they do not have it.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that this firearms register and the other restrictions and the huge cost of administration will improve public safety.
There is evidence that these regulations will fail and waste a great deal of money and human resources but it is ignored.

Ordinary people wake up and go about their business every day WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT BEING HARMED BY RESPONSIBLE LICENSED FIREARMS OWNERS in spite of all the anti-gun propaganda they have been exposed to.

They would like "the government" to help them with secure jobs, affordable homes, quality medical services, quality education and protection from violent criminals but have not requested or want to pay for this excessive regulation of law abiding firearm owners, gun clubs and shooting ranges.

Legislation that is not based on evidence or the wishes of the majority of the people can only be based on the ambitions and agendas of a politically influential MINORITY of the people who have temporary authority in our government.

What those affected by the new regulations have to understand is that this is not a matter of public safety or majority rule.

This is a POLITICAL ISSUE in which a minority of people are using their current positions of authority and power to discriminate against people that disagree with them about guns.

Appealing to logic, common sense, democratic principles, responsible spending of public money, fairness or honesty will not do any good because the people who are imposing these changes are not willing to listen or engage in any respectful discussions.

The only way for responsible owners of firearms to oppose the eventual removal of the PRIVILEGES they have is POLITICAL ACTION.

The politicians that get elected to govern are not chosen by the majority of the people.
They are selected and promoted by a minority of influential people in the major parties to REPRESENT THEM.

People who wish to continue to own and use firearms could be well represented in the government as well if they became more POLITICALLY ACTIVE.

One does not have to have personal political ambitions to become active and influential.
Supporting organizations like SSANZ, Deerstalkers or one of the others that are represented by COLFO enables better representation of firarms owners.

Writing to MPs and the secretaries of the major political parties RESPECTFULLY disagreeing with this regulation and telling them that they have lost your respect, confidence, trust and votes has influence if enough people bother to do so.

ACT and some other parties oppose this discrimination and unfair legislation.
Joining, becomeing more involoved, supporting and helping these people with their election campaigns wouild make a great difference to their chances of being able to represent and potect owners of firearms.

The minority of people that are imposing their ambitions and agendas on the rest of us think that we are too weak and complacent to do anything about it.

Let's get going and prove them wrong.

END

All the best,

Phil


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Phil Cregeen
Treasurer
Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand Inc

ssanzsec@gmail.com



24 February 2023
REGULATIONS REVIEW COMMITTEE
Brigitte Morten
Director
Franks Ogilvie
Representing the New Zealand Council of Licensed Firearm Owners By email: Brigitte.Morten@franksogilvie.co.nz
Dear Ms Morten
Complaint about the Arms Amendment Regulations 2022
Thank you for your letter received 19 December 2022 about the Arms Amendment Regulations 2022 made under the Arms Act 1983. Your complaint was considered by the Regulations Review Committee at our meeting on 15 February 2023.
Committee’s jurisdiction
The committee’s jurisdiction in relation to regulations is set out in the Standing Orders of the House of Representatives. Under Standing Order 326(5), the committee may investigate complaints about the operation of regulations, and may report on complaints to the House of Representatives.
When a complaint relates to one of the grounds set out in Standing Order 327(2), the committee can draw the regulations to the special attention of the House and take the step of recommending that a regulation be disallowed under the Legislation Act 2019. However any decision to disallow a regulation is made by the House and the committee can only make a recommendation.
Your complaint
Your complaint appears to be that the Arms Regulations 1992, as amended by the Arms Amendment Regulations 2022, should be drawn to the attention of the House under the following Standing Order grounds:
 SO 327(2)(a) — that the regulations are not in accordance with the general objects and intentions of the enactment under which it is made
 SO 327(2)(b) — that the regulations trespassed unduly on personal rights and liberties
 SO 327(2)(c) — that the regulations appear to make some unusual or unexpected use
of the powers conferred by the enactment under which it is made
 SO 327(2)(h) — that the regulations were not made in compliance with particular notice
and consultation procedures prescribed by applicable enactments.

Decision to investigate
The committee accepts that on the face of it, your complaint relates to Standing Order 327(2)(a), (b),(c), and (h).
Therefore, the committee has agreed to proceed with your complaint in relation to these Standing Order grounds.
Committee process
We have resolved to send a copy of your complaint to the New Zealand Police asking them to respond, and to invite them to present oral evidence to the committee.
We have also resolved to invite you to present oral evidence to the committee once we have received a written submission from the New Zealand Police. Committee staff will be in touch to confirm a time and date. We will send the New Zealand Police’s submission to you ahead of the hearing.
When presenting oral evidence to the committee you may wish to inform us of your preferred outcome in terms of the complaints process.
Your written complaint will be treated as evidence and will be made publicly available on the Parliament website. Please contact the Clerk of Committee, Jo Haynes, at regulations.review@parliament.govt.nz if you have any questions.
Yours sincerely
Hon Judith Collins
Chairperson
Regulations Review Committee

It is creep by the Police to erode legal rights. Amazing all the protests by firearms owners but when it matters they still vote for the political party that has promoted this . Typical kiwi apathy.