Thread: Cop beaten and side arm taken.

I can say from seeing cops at a local range it was not spectacular.
And why would you expect it to be they are cops not marksmen.


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You want to try taking some of them out after small furry critters. A rather large eye opener. Cowboys and wild west rings true.

So how long have the police been subjected to trial by media.
Would like to see is if those media dick heads can do better.
If they think they can do the job more effectively ?

my missus is a cop here in tauranga and I get the shits when she says she had to get kitted up with a glock or m4 , the community would NOT be safe. she could not hit a barn door let alone an offender! Shes left eye dominant and right handed and 55kg wringing wet -bad combo

I don't see how the police trying to do their duty is any business of OSH! Seems like a government department operating outside their designated role.I think the media ,OSH ,central government & the justice system needs a serious sort out . Give our police the tools,funding & empower them so they can do the job without all the B/S that isn't actually helping them .

The incident out at Waihi beach new years eve is an example.The guy hears a noise & goes out to investigate & gets stabbed in the head.The piece of shit that did it was on bail for a previous assult, he was apparently in breach of his bail conditions.No shit Shirlock .
The guy he stabbed has since died from the injuries. Whats the piece of shit doing out on bail FFS.

Originally Posted by Chris

I don't see how the police trying to do their duty is any business of OSH! Seems like a government department operating outside their designated role.I think the media ,OSH ,central government & the justice system needs a serious sort out . Give our police the tools,funding & empower them so they can do the job without all the B/S that isn't actually helping them .

The incident out at Waihi beach new years eve is an example.The guy hears a noise & goes out to investigate & gets stabbed in the head.The piece of shit that did it was on bail for a previous assult, he was apparently in breach of his bail conditions.No shit Shirlock .
The guy he stabbed has since died from the injuries. Whats the piece of shit doing out on bail FFS.

Because he has rights like everyone -except me I seem to have lost mine and am paying for all this - probably along with you and yours

Oh yes Maca don't get us started on the amount of tax we pay otherwise I will start flooding the forum like a burst dam. PAYE is the most unfair system as far as I am concerned.

Back to the Police discussion, I am an advocate for giving them all the support that they need and that continues through to tougher sentences being handed down by the courts. Outside of this public forum I would say either hang the criminals or flog the pricks.

IMO, its money that in a large part, dictates competency with firearms where Police and dare I say it, military are concerned. I left the military a wee while ago but during my career I trained a fair bit with the police. They used to seek out the certain skills off the Army as far as weapons handling went.
Most if not all Police I came in to contact with, back then, were competent with firearms before they got too us. Budget cuts in both the Police force and Army and from what I hear from mates that are still serving, has resulted in a drop in proficiency across the board.
I seen it happen over the last 10 yrs I served.

The queens medal cut off, used to be the top 40 shooters Army wide, with hundreds if not thousands of trialists from both RF and TF. This was after regional competition and selection. I am happy to be corrected, but I hear now, they are lucky, just too get 40 to attend the queens medal shoot.

Did you not read what it says?

It doesn't say that 25% of police failed.


It says that (more than) 25% OF the police that failed, quantity not stated, were from the Southern Region. It doesn't support your argument at all.

police admit that more than 25% of police who failed their firearms test were from the Southern region

I have no side in whatever this thread is about, but sloppy arguing techniques like that annoy me


It's also a terribly written article, but it's the ODT so that's business as usual.

I thought it was simple maths. 25% from the southern region failed. So of the 100% that are rated/tested for firearms use 25% aren't capable of doing the job. Is it not that simple?

Simple reading comprehension, because that's not what it says.


It doesn't say that 25% of police failed.

It doesn't say that 25% of police from the Southern Region failed.


It says that of those that failed nationwide, more than one quarter came from the Southern Region. Indicating that perhaps the Southern Region has poor training compared to other regions, but nothing about the nationwide status of training as it doesn't give any % of police that failed nationwide.

Look up Elmer Keith sometime.....


Amongst his noted feats is the shooting of an Elk, wounded by his hunting partner with a rifle, at 500 odd yards with a .44 magnum revolver. He was a famous long range pistol shooter, and the father of the .44 mag cartridge.


Pistols are a lot more accurate than often thought, just a lot harder to shoot accurately than a rifle.

And how are they for snap shooting gimp at say 30 metres?

Pretty good if you have some proper training, should see what good IPSC, USPSA etc shooters can do, even in production class, or the 'tactical' instructors like Frank Proctor, Chris Costa, etc etc

I'd link some videos but my wifi and ipad are conspiring against me.

Obviously no rifle in terms of accuracy and power but can still be pretty effective

When it comes to it the pistol 9mm pistol is pretty hopeless. All fine motor skills are lost including trigger control in a high danger situation so rounds get sprayed . The furthest a person in NZ has been shot by a Police pistol is 7 metres, people have been missed from much closer. 30m snap shooting may be achievable on a range with a fancy pistol but cannot be realistically expected by a Police Officer, or anyone, in a high stress situation with a glock, hence why they have an m4. The 9mm has much less stopping power than the .223 as well.