Geez and they worry about us keeping our stuff safe, not a good look.
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Geez and they worry about us keeping our stuff safe, not a good look.
Apart from Mike Loder, who can be questionable at times what proof is there that this isnt fake news
Never mind ive just seen the evidence. Outstanding security awareness by the officers involved. Neither probably have a fal, or if they do dont belong to a pistol club. I have seen rifles been put on the back seat of patrol cars while they go and do something else. Then scurry back to remove the mag and put both in the boot.
Its on the RNZ news page.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
And on One news
Un F*!@&ing Believable.
"He confirmed the keys were left in the ignition of the patrol car. The offender then used keys to gain access to the car's weapons lock box." (quote from stuff)
And the best quote of the day
"I would just encourage all citizens of the Gore district and indeed the wider Southland area to just take care and make sure vehicles and their property is secure ... lock your property, lock your cars."
That ship done gone sailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
"When the buy-back was announced, Police Minister Stuart Nash sought police assurance they had strong processes for handling firearms. Police said at the time they were confident they could manage the collection of the guns. Following the (Palmerston North) station burglary, Nash has sought a new assurance."
Hey Nashi - wotcha gonna seek now...
Nash and carhill should be forced to resign due to no confidence following brazen statements about police and security.
Wasn't there a news article recently with screwed statistics about how many firearms are stolen from unlocked vehicles. The stats said 33% of all firearms stolen are from unattended vehicles. In the smallprint it then stated that the 33% was taken from a subset of about 20% of all stolen firearms data. Or something like that. I guess fudging the numbers makes it look better if they are higher.
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Do as I say not as I do..............
As a pistol shooter I'm so bloody careful when transpoting them and more so if I ever have to stop between the range & home. But to leave the keys in the car with the pistols as @spada said...............Un F*!@&ing Believable.
Carhill and Nash should both be sacked......it is train crash after train crash after train crash........
Constable Stumbles................................I like it, I like it a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Do they always have their guns loaded as these 2 were?
In my opinion it is the Police Commissioner that also needs to own this stuff VC. Any good CEO would accept the accountability and responsibility for all shortcomings lays with him/her.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Yes but unlike in private business, in politics you never have to be accountable thats why they are thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
title is wrong...should read Cops HAD two glocks stolen in Gore.... the dont HAVE the plurry things at all.
Its ok Im sure he will sell them back to the government at the next southland confiscation event as it is a buy back right? These will be the only firearms actually "bought back" as they actually previously owned them. Or did they? We as tax payers paid for them, does that mean we own?them? Im confused. :O_O:
Either way I feel so much safer now. Dont you?
Funny... and True... Gock, Glock...Who's there ?Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Why did the glock cross the road? :yaeh am not durnk:
Dunno, but overall it did a good job of it, according to the local superintendent.
Well they were our,s but then they were there's but now they are Hori,s , Hori doesn't have a firearms licence so the cops don't want them included in the buy back I guess technically and officially there still Hori,s ....TO BE CONTINUEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
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Originally Posted by berg243
Well maybe just one Glock seeing as the idiot has been arrested and a Glock recovered.
...and the other Glock's last known whereabouts...
Man Reports Gun Stolen During Weekend Orgy | The Smoking Gun
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Love it....
Only if the thief has a FAL. You can't get money back for firearms you hand in if you don't have an FAL. This govt doesn't understand the concept of incentives to ACTUALLY make us all safer. They only seem to want to take firearms of legal owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wingman
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The best thing about this is it was in the Press today and cannot be edited or pretend it never was as it was in Print. It is a photo I took of the letter in the Press.....Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
oih dear .Ishou,ld imagine the ardent police fans of new firearms law would never have thought in a million years how it could be used to highlight their own bumbling inadequacies as we see here.yes we all used to ask why and roll our eyfes when wee weapons cockups happened with our bloys in blue(serious another issue altogether) but now with likes of chris cahoilland co screaming long and loudabout us "crims"its coming back tpo bite them on the arse.
Still haven't heard Police Minister Stuart Nash seeking further reassurances about Police ability to store guns safely.
Obviously reason they decided they must pre-bend guns at theft events.
Teething problems for Police having firearms in kiwi...talk about getting spanked,......between firearms stolen from cop shops and now this.....hmmmmmmm....F minus or plus......
The worst thing is,having these firearms used on them...or for that matter,on anyone
Yeah mate... I get it .... was being more sarcastic fecetious really
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Originally Posted by Mauser308
Gangs tend to run around with sawn off shotguns and .22's... wonder where they get those from?Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Gunshops?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventenths
Using licences granted to gang members?
after today's effort with the old guy on the electric scooter my wife took great delight in humming that Benny Hill chase theme song.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUYbu5DJA1U
Haha the music fits the driving, i remember benny hill well
Looked a bit like a woman, probably a guy then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZQLewis
Nope... not one "gang member" in the country has a license!Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
Anyone identified as associating or going down that path soon has their license revoked.
There's a shit load of guns that get stolen every year from licensed owners and then I can think of the gun shops that got burgled such as Gun City in Auckland or the other gun shop which had a number of B cat pistols stolen, plenty of farmers still leave guns in sheds or down at the cow shed, plenty of people still leave guns in their vehicles unattended just think of that guy at the shotgun club in Matamata and I had a local chap who did the same.
Then we have bad apples amongst firearm owners such as John Mabey who was a collector who sold over 120 guns to gang members and lets not forget Dale Jenner who did the same!
I have to also wonder how many weapons have gone missing from the defense force over the years as I remember years back coming across a guy with a live grenade.
I hear there's been a few defense force personnel caught handing in parts and magazines lately.
Any gun stolen regardless of whether its from license owners, defense force, police is one gun too many!
Do you actually believe this, and / or do you research it? I suppose you could add, "for some values of 'soon'"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventenths
Data points:
1. The Herald today revealed how a patched Headhunter was able to legally buy $30,000 worth of high powered rifles between 2012 and 2015, before police revoked his firearms licence in January. When police went to revoke the licence, the man had legally on-sold the weapons and they were unable to be retrieved.
2. Police would not comment..., except to say it was "very rare for a patched gang member to be issued a firearms licence". Very rare does not mean, doesn't happen. And, inquiring minds would like 'very rare' defined, mmkay?
3. Gang members to be blocked from firearms licenses... (note the tense of -to be-, = it's bin happenin' and everybody knows it has...
There's a whole lot more info out there that identifies your commentary as, shall we just say, optimistic. For some values of optimism.
I think that the cops stuffed up, but I would like to give them a bit of slack. To be fair, the situation sounds like they were trying to deal with a real turd. Someone armed with a vehicle actively trying to kill you makes it a fairly stressful situation. I am not defending police management or the justice system - they have put police on the frontline with little training in dealing with tactical situations that are as serious as this one sounds like.
I will also say that the situation would have been rapidly resolved if the police had access to their pistols on their hips, rather than - worse than uselessly - locked in the back of a car.
A bit more of our collective ire should be directed at the turd with dumpster juice running through his veins, for the criminal acts that he committed, rather than the cops who tried to stop him. .
Fair enough, if they had popped the bastard I wouldn't lose any sleepQuote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
Like that dickhead that got shot in Waitara by cops a while back it's not like we are losing a productive member of society
This is why it is all so pointless that they are being forced to harass us law-abiding FAL owners rather than bite down hard on gang members and meth dealers
At risk of sounding illiberal I have zero sympathy for idiots who charge at police with weapons in hand
Absolutely agree. Sadly, we do sound illiberal to the current crowd in charge, who ironically have people carrying guns on their hips to turn to when said liberal leaders feel unsafe.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
What’s not identifiable in your post or what’s not identifiable in the news report is at what stage did that person become a gang member after all I don’t trust the news 100% as they will leave out key facts!Quote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
Was he a patched gang member prior to applying or after he was granted his license?
The same article you quote from sightpicture also mentions
“However, a Disctrict Court judgement from Masterton last month revealed how under current New Zealand law, being a member of an orgnaised criminal group does not necessarily exempt someone from a gun licence.
The case centred around Bandidos gang member Wade Victor Innes, from Wairarapa, appealing the revocation of his firearm licence.
Innes was first issued his licence in 1997 and it was renewed in 2007. Police confiscated his licence in July 2015 when they found Innes to no longer be a "fit and proper" person based on his membership to the Bandidos and because he broke licensing rules by failing to tell police when he changed address.
He appealed the decision, and his case was heard before Judge Tompkins in November.
When it came to gang associations, the judge drew on previous cases in judges ruled gang association was irrelevent to revoking a firearm licence.
"There is a short and now somewhat dated line of authority in favour of Mr Innes' association with the Bandidos gang being irrelevent," he said.
Instead, Judge Tompkins found that it was a culmination of factors that saw him lose the appeal.
He did not advice of his address changes, he was a member of the gang, he did not surrendor his physical licence or guns, and that other members of the gang were likely to be able to access his firearms.
"The cumulative effect of all the above is that Mr Innes is not a fit and proper person to hold a firearms licence."
Sightpicture, seeing as your so good at research & everybody apparently knows it’s been happening then please feel free to tell me the names of any patches gang members or prospects of any criminal gang who have their gun licenses?
Even PM me that information!
