Thread: Could we do more

Originally Posted by Maca49

I'd vote for the return of the death sentence today for drugs, no tolerance at all.

You'd be on your own with that one mate.

Originally Posted by 223nut

A safe screwed to the floor. Need tools / 10+mins to remove it. Something made from thick enough steel that you can't kick it open

The problem is you need to write a specification which isn't open to interpretation and quite clearly defines the performance expected.

Originally Posted by Taff

There is a standard already in the UK it's not difficult for them to copy it, safes are not expensive , the cost of a middle priced scope. Punishment for gun crimes and drugs / theft needs to be stronger, but that's not going to happen , if anything it's getting lighter.

Sorry, but the UK can keep it's laws in the UK thanks.

Originally Posted by Daggers_187

The problem is you need to write a specification which isn't open to interpretation and quite clearly defines the performance expected.

The difficulty with this would be one off custom safes/strongrooms. To properly test performance they would be destroyed. I think the rules as they are with an engineers report is actually quite good.

Originally Posted by Daggers_187

Sorry, but the UK can keep it's laws in the UK thanks.

You seem to have chip on your shoulder about things in the UK, which you seem to know little about, I did not mention laws, but a BS standard for gun safes, ( NZ uses BS standards in many situations) amazingly it is less than e cat

Originally Posted by Taff

You seem to have chip on your shoulder about things in the UK, which you seem to know little about, I did not mention laws, but a BS standard for gun safes, ( NZ uses BS standards in many situations) amazingly it is less than e cat

The UK has some pretty shit gun laws we could do without.

Where have I mentioned gun laws, I know the standard of education is low in most country's but I assumed most people on here could read. Perhaps we need a BS standard for education.

Originally Posted by Taff

You seem to have chip on your shoulder about things in the UK, which you seem to know little about, I did not mention laws, but a BS standard for gun safes, ( NZ uses BS standards in many situations) amazingly it is less than e cat

Yeah mate. I have a problem with people suggesting that any part of UK firearms legislation is an improvement on our laws and policing.

Here's a guide I found on storage of firearms in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ty_leaflet.pdf

Published in 2005, so maybe abit out of date.

From what I can see, it makes no mention to actual standards, only recommendations, and does not seem to be any different from New Zealand's "recommendations".

It is recommended that a cabinet should have the
following featur
es:
• It should be made from sheet steel at least 14 swg
(standard wire gauge) (2 mm) thick. All seams
should be continuously welded, or the cabinet
body formed by bend construction.

Yeah mate 2mm....that's about what most gun "safes" here are.

Lock mechanisms should be on the inside of the
cabinet. The lock should contain at least 5 levers
to BS 3621 standard or equivalent. Alternatively,
good quality hardened padlocks and staples
should be fitted to the cabinet.

Lots of the word "should" in there. Which says to me it's not actually a specification. Just a recommendation, much like how the arms code is just a guide, but not the actual law.

The most glaring difference between New Zealand security requirements is that they recommend "gun clamps" or wall racks as we would probably call them. A method of storage which is only considered moderately acceptable here.

Gun clamps
For one firearm, an alternative option to a cabinet
may be a gun clamp. It should:
• be made out of steel that is at least 14 swg
(2mm) thick;
• have seam-welded joints, or be formed by bend
construction; and
• have a lock that meets BS 3621 standard or
equivalent. Alternatively a good quality hardened
padlock should be fitted.

Lots of use of the word should. Good stuff.

Finally, it says that steel cables are also a recommended way.

Steel cables
In certain circumstances a high tensile steel cable
secured with a hardened padlock may be an
appropriate security method.

In summary - the UK appears to have the same ambiguity of storage and security standards as New Zealand. And appears not to be a suitable model for us to base our security requirements on.

The end.