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I mean do people really need to carry concealed weapons in the USA?

Need ? Probably not, want to, now's that's a different story entirely.
Quite why you'd carry a loaded pistol, with the safety off, in your purse God only knows
Still, she won't do it again.
Feel sorry for the kid.

Do people really need to wear seatbelts?

or lock their doors at night.

Originally Posted by steven

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I mean do people really need to carry concealed weapons in the USA?

It's the American mentality. Someone is out there to do you great harm and here's the ability to protect yourself. The real shame is some American's don't see just how fucked up their country has become, as extremism in violence by everyone is becoming the norm.

Car jacking at the lights - better have a 357 in the car door.
Home invasion - 12g loaded by the front door.
Out supermarket shopping - have a loaded pistol in easy reach.

The pro-gunners say the increasing violence means someone with a gun is safer, the anti-gunners say the gun is causing the violence. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders why it's safer in Syria than Detroit.

I had a fascinating conversation with some Yanks in Florida last year over lunch at the local diner/lunch bar. They were all conceal carrying, all kept glancing to the door regularly, and all trained regularly for the 'what if' scenario - it's just a mentality that was hard for me to agree with. One was a former Army Ranger now professional shooter and instructor too.

Nobody in the world needs to carry a gun, until you need to shoot someone. Americans just have the luxury of being given the option to legally do so.

Originally Posted by steven

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I mean do people really need to carry concealed weapons in the USA?

steven

It is their Constitutional Right to Bear Arms (2nd amendment).

Some choose to uphold their rights and carry ....some don't.

Unfortunately people do need to carry concealed weapons in the USA and elsewhere for that matter, simply to protect themselves.

Having the right to carry a concealed weapon for protection and invoking your right to do so is one thing.

Carrying a loaded pistol in you handbag and allowing your 2 year old to play with it is another.

In this case she has paid for her stupidity with her life.

Cheers
Pete

I was thinking about this yesterday , ... I have no prob with conceled carry or even open carry .... but one up the spout (if its a semi) is a little extreme , if it was a revolver then there is always one ready to go ..... and if its like mine , no safety then a pull on the trigger results in a boom .... its fukkin sad this has happened , that poor kid growing up will be scared for life ... killed their mom .... the purse should have been on mums shoulder , or elsewhere away from kids .... a few simple firearms rules were broken , and this is the result ....
happy 2015

Originally Posted by Kscott

It's the American mentality. Someone is out there to do you great harm and here's the ability to protect yourself. The real shame is some American's don't see just how fucked up their country has become, as extremism in violence by everyone is becoming the norm.

Car jacking at the lights - better have a 357 in the car door.
Home invasion - 12g loaded by the front door.
Out supermarket shopping - have a loaded pistol in easy reach.

The pro-gunners say the increasing violence means someone with a gun is safer, the anti-gunners say the gun is causing the violence. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders why it's safer in Syria than Detroit.

I had a fascinating conversation with some Yanks in Florida last year over lunch at the local diner/lunch bar. They were all conceal carrying, all kept glancing to the door regularly, and all trained regularly for the 'what if' scenario - it's just a mentality that was hard for me to agree with. One was a former Army Ranger now professional shooter and instructor too.

Kscott

I disagree with the Pro-gunners here.

Someone with a gun is Not Safer.

However someone with a gun is less likely to become a Victim if they have the means to fight back if confronted by an aggressor.
And aggressors, like all bullies, are less likely to confront you if they believe you may have the means and the determination to fight back.
Hence why open carry is becoming more popular.

And I strongly disagree with the Anti gunners

Guns aren't causing the violence.

People Are!

Cheers
Pete

A client of mine said that the gun laws in the States are amazing as he did a 2.5 month tour thru on his Harley. No one is rude because you never know "if they are packing heat".He witnessed some scary incidents in family diners of thugs trying the tuff trick. Whammo the 45 gets pointed at the offender. Issue over.

Originally Posted by stumpy

I was thinking about this yesterday , ... I have no prob with conceled carry or even open carry .... but one up the spout (if its a semi) is a little extreme

It is foolish to carry a firearm for defensive purposes which is not loaded. Do you think the Police would carry their pistols in condition 3? When you need your firearm in a potentially life threatening situation, you do not want to be already at a disadvantage.

Originally Posted by TeRei

A client of mine said that the gun laws in the States are amazing as he did a 2.5 month tour thru on his Harley. No one is rude

No one is rude in the states? Hahaha

Originally Posted by Koshogi

It is foolish to carry a firearm for defensive purposes which is not loaded. Do you think the Police would carry their pistols in condition 3? When you need your firearm in a potentially life threatening situation, you do not want to be already at a disadvantage.

from what I have seen of police with firearms , condition 3 may be the best for them ,.... situational awareness should be first , if it goes to amber rack the slide ....

Originally Posted by Kscott

The pro-gunners say the increasing violence means someone with a gun is safer, the anti-gunners say the gun is causing the violence. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders why it's safer in Syria than Detroit.

Violence is not increasing, it is decreasing. The US is at a 40 year low for violent crime. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html

Gun crime has been dropping in the US (like everywhere else) since the 90s, which is when Americans started the push towards more CCW rights. Are they related? I would say they've helped, but wouldn't be the major factor. Correlation doesn't mean causation.

The fact is though is that there are more guns in the USA than ever before and gun crime has fallen. Gun crime has many more factors than merely the availability of guns.

Originally Posted by stumpy

from what I have seen of police with firearms , condition 3 may be the best for them ,.... situational awareness should be first , if it goes to amber rack the slide ....

It can go from yellow to black in the blink of an eye.

If you carry a gun for a living, it's loaded.

I won't comment on the Israeli's technique. ...