Toddler accidentally kills mother in Wal-mart | Stuff.co.nz
:wtfsmilie:
I mean do people really need to carry concealed weapons in the USA?
Printable View
Toddler accidentally kills mother in Wal-mart | Stuff.co.nz
:wtfsmilie:
I mean do people really need to carry concealed weapons in the USA?
Need ? Probably not, want to, now's that's a different story entirely.
Quite why you'd carry a loaded pistol, with the safety off, in your purse God only knows
Still, she won't do it again.
Feel sorry for the kid.
Do people really need to wear seatbelts?
or lock their doors at night.
It's the American mentality. Someone is out there to do you great harm and here's the ability to protect yourself. The real shame is some American's don't see just how fucked up their country has become, as extremism in violence by everyone is becoming the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Car jacking at the lights - better have a 357 in the car door.
Home invasion - 12g loaded by the front door.
Out supermarket shopping - have a loaded pistol in easy reach.
The pro-gunners say the increasing violence means someone with a gun is safer, the anti-gunners say the gun is causing the violence. And the rest of the world looks on and wonders why it's safer in Syria than Detroit.
I had a fascinating conversation with some Yanks in Florida last year over lunch at the local diner/lunch bar. They were all conceal carrying, all kept glancing to the door regularly, and all trained regularly for the 'what if' scenario - it's just a mentality that was hard for me to agree with. One was a former Army Ranger now professional shooter and instructor too.
Nobody in the world needs to carry a gun, until you need to shoot someone. Americans just have the luxury of being given the option to legally do so.
stevenQuote:
Originally Posted by steven
It is their Constitutional Right to Bear Arms (2nd amendment).
Some choose to uphold their rights and carry ....some don't.
Unfortunately people do need to carry concealed weapons in the USA and elsewhere for that matter, simply to protect themselves.
Having the right to carry a concealed weapon for protection and invoking your right to do so is one thing.
Carrying a loaded pistol in you handbag and allowing your 2 year old to play with it is another.
In this case she has paid for her stupidity with her life.
Cheers
Pete
I was thinking about this yesterday , ... I have no prob with conceled carry or even open carry .... but one up the spout (if its a semi) is a little extreme , if it was a revolver then there is always one ready to go ..... and if its like mine , no safety then a pull on the trigger results in a boom .... its fukkin sad this has happened , that poor kid growing up will be scared for life ... killed their mom .... the purse should have been on mums shoulder , or elsewhere away from kids .... a few simple firearms rules were broken , and this is the result ....
happy 2015
KscottQuote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
I disagree with the Pro-gunners here.
Someone with a gun is Not Safer.
However someone with a gun is less likely to become a Victim if they have the means to fight back if confronted by an aggressor.
And aggressors, like all bullies, are less likely to confront you if they believe you may have the means and the determination to fight back.
Hence why open carry is becoming more popular.
And I strongly disagree with the Anti gunners
Guns aren't causing the violence.
People Are!
Cheers
Pete
A client of mine said that the gun laws in the States are amazing as he did a 2.5 month tour thru on his Harley. No one is rude because you never know "if they are packing heat".He witnessed some scary incidents in family diners of thugs trying the tuff trick. Whammo the 45 gets pointed at the offender. Issue over.
It is foolish to carry a firearm for defensive purposes which is not loaded. Do you think the Police would carry their pistols in condition 3? When you need your firearm in a potentially life threatening situation, you do not want to be already at a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
No one is rude in the states? Hahaha[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by TeRei
Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
from what I have seen of police with firearms , condition 3 may be the best for them ,.... situational awareness should be first , if it goes to amber rack the slide ....
Violence is not increasing, it is decreasing. The US is at a 40 year low for violent crime. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Gun crime has been dropping in the US (like everywhere else) since the 90s, which is when Americans started the push towards more CCW rights. Are they related? I would say they've helped, but wouldn't be the major factor. Correlation doesn't mean causation.
The fact is though is that there are more guns in the USA than ever before and gun crime has fallen. Gun crime has many more factors than merely the availability of guns.
It can go from yellow to black in the blink of an eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
If you carry a gun for a living, it's loaded.
I won't comment on the Israeli's technique. ...
I have carried handguns for self-defense in various parts of the World. They have always been fully loaded, either a revolver or a semi-auto. Single-action autos (ie; M1911, etc) I have always carried cocked and locked. D/A autos and revolvers have always been carried 'good to go'. The US is basically a fairly polite society until you become a 'minority' interloper in various (predominantly poor) areas. Vigilance and confidence, coupled with sensible choices, have kept me from harm or having to reveal that I was carrying a weapon. Carrying one that is not ready for instant action is just plain stupid. The alternative is only chosen by those that have a victim mentality, rather than confidence in their own ability to protect themselves or their family. Such (fortunately rare) life-threatening events happen so fast that instant action is the deciding factor!
The intensity of the violence has increased over the years, rather the actual numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
And for the USA, if a good guy carrying a gun can beat a bad guy carrying the gun, the USA should be the safest country in the world :D
For a sheer numbers perspective, unfortunately this story is jut a blip on the radar.
Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE).
Every icon is clickable to find out how/where they died. And that report ended Dec 2013.
We could go round and round in circles debating what happens in another country, but I'm very happy to live in good ol' NZ tbh :thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
victim mentality ? ....I fukkin hope that isn't aimed at me
My immediate response is to show the date of your link.....Published: May 23, 2011Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
I consider this irresponsible and if you are sincere, you should not use data 3 1/2 years old.
Funny thing about the "right to bear arms" is it's a throw back from Brittish occupation when they confiscated muskets etc.. from the general population - think Boston tea party era.
Not really relevant in todays society - unfortunatly with such a large population changing laws , amnestys etc just wont work.
I guess there's no relation between their liberal gun laws and their very high shooting rate then....
I can see this thread getting ugly.
So are you saying that the violent crime rates have not continued their downward trend since this 'old' 2011 article?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper
I wasn't using 'data', I was using an article from the NY Times as a reference point.
If you want data, here is a point taken from the overview from the most recent data collected by the FBI in their Uniform Crime Report 2013.
When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2013 estimated violent crime total was 12.3 percent below the 2009 level and 14.5 percent below the 2004 level.
FBI — Violent Crime
The article is still relevant irregardless of it being 3 years old.
That is purely subjective. Humans have always been incredibly violent. One only needs to read a history book or "the book" to see that. We just get to see it now in 1080p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
The effect is NET though, so with a seat belt you dont tend to have a risk of ending up dead from using it, and it could save your life and/or reduce injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banana
One could say the same about CCW.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Ultimately I'm very happy living in NZ :thumbsup:
Seatbelts can cause death, but they're more likely to save you than kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Questioning CCW based on a single accident or even all the rare occasions where it has caused the death of the carrier and ignoring the lives saved/injury prevented by CCW, is like questioning seatbelts based on the tiny number of cases where they caused the death of the wearer.
Whether it is concealed or not doesn't matter a damn, you are the person responsible for the weapon and it should be in your command at all times. How the hell do you explain to a toddler by the way you killed your mother due to her stupidity.
I heard a cop over there accidently shot his wife.
I heard a hunter in New Zealand accidentally shot his mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dundee
In the Western US we just believe you can never have to many guns. Most accidents in the US leading to death are caused by first, prescription drugs, and second, automobiles. Guns are way down the list.
Attachment 32644
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by hamsav
Surely trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by Banana
Have you ever been there or are you talking out your ass?
What i hear from him is Waa waa, waa wa, wa wa waaa! Strange as that is the same as the teacher in Charlie Brown, which is American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
The saying 'if you keep your mouth shut at least people only think you are stupid, when you open it you just prove them correct' springs to mind.
Hamsav you won't get car jacked, this is not The Terminator, like most places they are good people (I am so resisting the urge to say, that have been brain washed lol). Not everyone wants to steal from you, jack your car, or gang rape you.
Chill out and go get a beer fella.
You could of given the tickets too one of us on the forum hamsav. Not me though apparently I'm a nutter and can't leave this Country.:D
This country or the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dundee
If the rest of the world based their perception of NZ off what they saw on the news, they'd think we're all a bunch of backward child beating neanderthals.Quote:
Originally Posted by hamsav
I've been through 3 passports in the past 7 years, due to filling them. Many countries, great times and some interesting experiances. However i havent been to the states yet. Some by design and some by no option. I have meet and consider a few yanks mates. Most meet by work or them working where ive been. Some good people for sure. I've Also meet some pricks for the states, most tourists. Now the the % mix, is about the same as any other country.
I'd like to go for to go for the cheap shopping, some of the sights and to see the size of the dinner plates, but there is a few other places that are higher on the list.
The gun debate doesn't really concern me, as every country should do what they want and as a tourist you should respect therir right to run their country as they see fit. They also shouldn't have undue influence on our country either. Plus abide by our rules/norms when here
