Yep, we can go on and on about other countries' attitudes etc but what of our own, eh?? Lily white as a dried out heap of cowshit if you ask me...
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Yep, we can go on and on about other countries' attitudes etc but what of our own, eh?? Lily white as a dried out heap of cowshit if you ask me...
I object to being finger printed for on good reason, so I wont ever go there again or even pass through.
Has anyone been on YouTube and watched Jim jefferies comic routine about gun control? If not do so, you'll near wet yourself I reckon and what he had to say about it is what I'd like to say
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"Since the gun ban in 1996, there hasn't been a single massacre since"
• Childers Palace Fire - In June 2000, drifter and con-artist Robert Long started a fire at the Childers Palace backpackers hostel that killed 15 people.
• Monash University shooting - In October 2002, Huan Yun Xiang, a student, shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five.
• Churchill Fire - 10 confirmed deaths due to a deliberately lit fire. The fire was lit on 7 February 2009.
• 2011 Hectorville siege - A mass shooting that took place on Friday, April 29, 2011, in Hectorville, South Australia. It began after a 39-year-old male,
Donato Anthony Corbo, went on a shooting rampage, killing three people and wounding a child and two police officers, before being arrested by Special Operations police after an eight-hour siege.
• Quakers Hill Nursing Home Fire - 10 confirmed and as many as 21 people may have died as a result of a deliberately lit fire in a Quakers Hill nursing home. The fire was lit early on 18 November 2011.
• Cairns stabbings - A woman stabbed 8 children to death on Friday, 2014, December 19, 2014, 7 of them were her own
Is a comedy routine not a university lectureQuote:
Originally Posted by Banana
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Agree with him, I simply like guns, no bullsh*t on home defence or other crap, I just like shooting guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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And that's all it is. Just about everything he said was based on lies, misinformation, twisted reasoning and a general lack of knowledge on the subject. I mean his very first point, which his whole gun control argument/routine is based on, was a blatant lie. He had a good point on the 2nd Amendment being exactly that, an amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by smidey
Castle Doctrine Law or Stand your ground Law is what this country needs.
and your point is?? i'll say it again....... it's a comedy show which means it isn't serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banana
now i understand that laughter is not for you but there are many of us that enjoy it. chill out and watch his act on foreplay, you might learn something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5YCtTjalg4
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Originally Posted by smidey
Um, that. You seem to have back tracked on your initial post.Quote:
Originally Posted by smidey
Yea, it's a comedy show. I found it fucking hilarious and laughed nearly the whole way through, but he's clearly trying to make a serious point with his routine and sway the audience to some degree. From the sound of the audience in the clip, they were buying the bullshit he was dishing out.
haha so i refer to a comedy skit that makes it a serious statement? forget that, don't answer. i give up.
No, you mention his gun control routine and imply you agree with it, then later say it's just comedy and isn't serious. What point are you trying to make? You don't seem to be able to decide.
it's a joke, tough concept for you clearly but that's what happens on forums sometimes.
I'm not going to post any further about this with you.
Yes it's comedy, it's a joke, everyone realizes that and I'm not disputing that, please don't repeat it again. I found it hilarious, so you can stop trying to make out I'm some caveman that doesn't understand humor.
You mention Jim's routine and say "what he had to say about it is what I'd like to say" (i.e. you agree with his viewpoint on the subject), when it's pointed out that Jim's viewpoint is based purely on bullshit and ignorance, you back track and try to save face by repeatedly saying 'it's just a joke, it's not serious', like that somehow defends you from agreeing with him.
Now if I was an arsehole, I could write something like 'Rational thought, a tough concept for you clearly', but I'm not, so I won't.
Banana, so I take it you're one of the 10% he mentions :D
I actually though a lot of what he said made sense, comedy or not.
And can you please explain to me how firearms started those fires ? I'm very confused on that point... :P
But you did write it, quite clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banana
This thread was good until your little spat.
No, like I said, I found it very funny. The stuff about the constitution and and the 2nd amendment made sense, but a lot of the firearms stuff didn't (to me anyway), and that's to be expected, it's coming from a guy who admittedly hates guns and probably has no experience with them.
Where in the definition of massacre does it include that it had to be caused by a firearm?
Fires and stabbings just aren't as sexy in the news as shootings. Guns strike a political cord in people.
Problem is musicians and actors etc often try to make political statements through their art, which makes them "serious" as they carry more weight than just an ordinary Joe Blogs. What is also a worry is that they can say any un-substantiated bull** they want and the other side has no right to reply on an equal footing.Quote:
Originally Posted by smidey
I think there is a lot of peoples fear of the unknown being utilised by some to get what they want no matter the logic or fairness of the issue.
I rearranged an insult he used on me (twice) to reflect my feelings on his posts, and tried to make the point that only arseholes need to resort to insults. No doubt there's a nicer way I could have put it, but I can't edit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
Ye gawds, you're not studying to be a lawyer are you ? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Banana
This is a thread about a gun related death.
The youtube clip was specifically about gun control, and I think it is safe to say that he meant gun related massacre, they did afterall introduce gun controls in Aus, not bans on matches, knives, motor vehicles, tsunamis or a horde of other things that may or may not cause massacres.
And if you think only people that are ignorant about firearms are pro gun-control I think you make a big mistake. I have been around firearms most my life, used them in military service, carried a concealed firearm for many years, and have competed in several competitive shooting codes, yet I am not opposed to gun control or firearm restrictions...
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Originally Posted by oneshot
If it gets just an smigum worse, I'll edit it.
Definition of Smigum = Bugger all, not much , a very small amount.
Maybe he did mean gun related massacres, but that's not what he said. Even if it's what he meant it still wasn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I don't think that only people that are ignorant about firearms are pro gun-control, but I do think a lot of people that are pro gun-control have based their views on ignorance.
If you've gathered the information, have experience, then reach a conclusion based on those things, your opinion is very valid, whatever it is.
That is fantastic...love the bit about the musket...Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
He did get it abit wrong...they banned semi autos...
Jim Jeffries looks like another Jim I know :) @Pointer :P
My early impressions of all americans were typical vietnam movie GI's and southern red necks you see in movies mixed in with everything you see on TV.
When i first went to mainland USA (not the Island in the pacific), I went to Greeley Colorado, and everyone i met was exceptionally nice and polite, wow, friendlier place than NZ!
I decided one weekend to pop up to the Rocky mountains to visit the Stanley Hotel where the movie the Shining was filmed, just in case there were some real Crazies up there, nope, still full of nice kind people...
Oh how my perception of Yanks changed!
Maybe all the nutters are in Hollywood...
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That Jim Jeffries skit was funny & it made me laugh, however he has a notable political agenda on gun control. It's a shame most of it was misinformation & lies. For example there was a huge increase in gun crimes since the semi-auto ban in Australia. According to stats it was up 60% since the ban
Can you please post a link to the source of your info ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
I seem to be getting some different info...
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
Total Aus gun deaths 1996 : 516
Total Aus gun deaths 2011 : 188
And here:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_p...s_in_Australia
I believe gun related death in Australia was declining before the bans. Gun related crime may well have increased. Just like in the US, gun violence has been measurably declining for some time, despite legislation for or against guns, and what the doomsayers report.
Your first sentence is not supported by hard facts Beavis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
If you look at total gun deaths per 100k population from 79 thru to 96, it was always close to or above 3, with a peak of 4.5 in 82.
Since the ban in 96, total gun deaths has shown as rapid and increased decline. It dropped below 2 in 98, and was below 1 in 2011.
If you can find any stats or numbers to back your claims about gun crime, I'd be interested in seeing them.
Also, how can gun related crime increase but gun related violence decrease. Please explain that to me...
I tend to stick to "read only" when threads get heavy but the readings going around in circles a little bit, I like some had a good laugh at the skit but thats all it was worth. He had an obvious political agenda that he was trying to push with a bit of humour, trying to do the old "spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down".
When stricter gun controls are introduced gun crime goes up, purely because what was ok yesterday is not ok today, this is despite the fact that gun related violence goes down. Im not good at explaining this shit (hence the first sentence in this post) but can you catch my drift?
http://www.ic-wish.org/Gun%20related...20happened.pdf statistics http://www.ic-wish.org/Fact%20sheet%...per%20Year.pdf
Crime and death/homicide/whatever you will (violence is a pretty broad term), aren't always the same thing. My statement that gun crime may have increased is not based on any facts I have read, rather a casual comment.
I spent a lot of time in Florida (the supposed craziest state of the lot) and the people there were............nice. Nicer than nice really.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
I travelled down the PCH from Washington to California and the people were SO nice they did make the ones in Florida look less nice, but overall, all were nice, and polite, and courteous and well mannered and fun and lots of more niceness.
I think they herd all the less nice ones onto cruise ships and send them south.
Ok :) Let's deal with this one, and then I need to spend some time drawing a picture to counter Beavis :DQuote:
Originally Posted by big_foot
@big_foot, yes, if you define "gun crime" purely as the infringement type offences that occur after a law change (being in possesion of an "E-cat" magazine etc), then I imagine you might well see a rise. And even more so if the law is drafted poorly. Also depends on how heavy handed the police are in enforcing those regulations. So I don't see how that tells us much at all... Let's be honest with each other, that is a bit of a "bullshit and lies" type argument that the pro-control guys get accused of... no ? :P
In stats, the one thing which is really easy to measure all over the world is DEATH. Very hard for the police to fudge the numbers because other sectors like doctors, coroners etc become involved. There is also not really a chance of people not reporting it like what happens with other types of crimes... And we don't look at the raw numbers, but rather at the numbers expressed in terms of population, because that gives us a way to measure one country to another.
I fully agree, I only waded in because it seems one party is arguing that gun crime is going up and the other was arguing that gun violence was going down, both of which could very well be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I take random stats that people use to support their argument with a grain of salt, heard a cracker the other day apparently wearing a bicycle helmet increases the injury rate..wtf are they counting the fat kid catching his 2nd chin in the buckle and little girl getting her hair caught in the padding velcro:thumbsup:
That was on the telly the other day, some cycling groups are trying to get the law reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by big_foot
Here ya go Beavis:
Had to rework the deaths/100k to fit on the same X scale, so multiplied it by 100 (per 10M).
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You can use stats to justify almost anything.... 98% of people know this......
