Thread: Discussion Document regarding Arms Act

When the submissions open for the Discussion around how the new Arms Act will look is a good time to put your point forward

https://www.colfo.org/post/its-happening

https://www.facebook.com/share/1BMye...ibextid=wwXIfr

I would be keen to have an alternate link for those of us not on Facebook

Originally Posted by Rushy

I would be keen to have an alternate link for those of us not on Facebook

Have added a COLFO link that’s not on Faceache

Don’t you idiots go getting another thread locked.

https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-...irearms-reform

As per this link, this is going to be the final phase of the firearms reform.
I wonder when they expect to get an outcome on phases 2 and 3, I would’ve thought they would complete the previous phase before starting the next one, but seems like they are trying to get it all sorted out as fast as they can.

Nice to see they are actually trying to get stuff done, rather than just spend 3 years talking about it.

Next time I delete a post from this thread I will lock or delete it.

@stug
If it does go sideways could you just lock it please not delete it.
So we can find the links easily.
Topics like this should have a little bit of leeway regarding the politics rule.

@7mmwsm that will all depend on what people decide to post.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

@stug
If it does go sideways could you just lock it please not delete it.
So we can find the links easily.
Topics like this should have a little bit of leeway regarding the politics rule.

The removed posts weren't political, they were just small minded. I'd rather see people removed than Threads when it comes to topics like this, especially repeat offenders

Let's see how this thread goes.

My opinion. This thread isn't for anyone to spout their personal opinions/values, there is ample opportunity for that via the submission process. This thread is an information source for those considering making a submission that consolidates the links and such in one handy place

Last time this topic was covered I personally got the most out of people putting forward posts that said things like "in my submission I covered x case and y situation"

I'll definitely be submitting on this bill and I find it really helpful when people cover areas of their expertise , especially pointing out silly loopholes that need fixing

Looking forward to next week

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

My opinion. This thread isn't for anyone to spout their personal opinions/values, there is ample opportunity for that via the submission process. This thread is an information source for those considering making a submission that consolidates the links and such in one handy place

Well worded !

This thread can be such a resource for others.

While I get the bit about politics, this stuff is actually vital for all of us. And, let's face it, it was politics that brought us to this situation. If we can't discus it here, on a shooting forum, any suggestions where else? Because I'm interested.

Totally agree @308. This will be a very useful resource. The current Arms Act is a tad convoluted with a multitude of amendments but at its core, it’s still a simple commonsense piece of legislation. A lot of the current Act pertains to dealers, restricted endorsements, pistol clubs etc. Pare back all the fluffy extras, modernise a tiny amount and we’ll be back to having the best in the world.

Some general points that I’ve been thinking about so far:

1: Remove the Police from any involvement firearms management, in writing their own policies and rules on the fly. Their sole role is to administer law not create it. Independence is key.

2: Get back to E cat endorsements or something similar. Why do we need to make pest destruction a business just to allow us the right tools for the job not to mention what happened to the competition crowd etc

3: Don’t mind a probationary period for new licence holders but unless there is a compelling reason for not renewing someone’s FAL, we shouldn’t have to keep reapplying. It’s a costly and largely a pointless exercise. Do it on a case by case basis, if need be, but if it is kept, then pare it back to the essentials. Currently, it’s really no different to getting a new license.

4: The legislation must fair and equitable across all stack holders. My thinking is a bit vague on this at the moment but the law changes post ChCh saw a lot of self interest amongst various firearms entities from what I read in the past.

5: There has to be a greater emphasis on consequences for firearms offences. This will be mean pressure also needs to be applied to the judiciary and will also go a long way to appeasing the anti gun lobby without costing us anything.

6: If I’m an approved FAL holder, this means that I’ve been judged a fit and proper person. The criteria for ceasing to be needs definition. Not subject to opinion or vague interpretation. The avenue for appeal must also be accessible and timely.

7: Why do I need Police consent form to post a piece of wood, etc. This thought covers a few areas but is generally all bureaucratic nonsense, achieves nothing and is time wasting and costly. I think it’s just a form of stamping authority and control.

8: Storage and transport of firearms needs the KISS principle applied. Too much opinion has crept in over the last few years from the ill-informed and uneducated.

9: Keep the change of address requirement as it has been. No need for security checks (this was never a legislated requirement, just another made up policy) Security is on you as a responsible FAL holder. Take it seriously.

Anyway, that’s a few things rolling about in my brain at the moment. Spend some time going through the current Act, it’s not particularly large, just messy. I’m sure there’s part/parts that relate to your own experiences and if you want to make a submission, it doesn’t have to be on the entire Act, just pick one section and make a concise, rational argument on that.

Looking forward to reading some enlightening posts over the next few weeks. Cheers all.
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Another thing that could be addressed is that you do not need to show a F/A licence in order to buy component parts for reloading. Surely this is a loophole that could be tightened up. We show a F/A for everything else. The idea that we need to have the ammunition we buy recorded, presumably to find 'straw buyers', is simply a waste of time when just about anyone can buy the pieces needed and treat it like a DIY. I am aware of the restrictions on powder and primers, but a DG licence can sort that out no issue. I am not in favour of more regulation and oversight but this is another thing that could be looked at.