E-cat gun safe. Will it pass inspection????

Hi all, im looking at apply for B and E cat endorsements. I've installed this certified E cat safe and wonder if whether anyone knows the regs for installation? I can't find them.

The garage has a one window and a door, and is the only room I can put it in. The safe is out of sight from the window but is visible from the back door.... so I covered it up.

2 x 12mm x 75mm runs bolts in base, with 2 x M10 coach screws through the back into a stud.

What do you think?

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Yep that should bolt in (excuse the pun).

If its in a detached garage you will be told it has to be in the house before they will pass it

Will be fine.
You have done more than most people would.

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Originally Posted by Paddy79

If its in a detached garage you will be told it has to be in the house before they will pass it

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Why I am curious.

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Originally Posted by Paddy79

If its in a detached garage you will be told it has to be in the house before they will pass it

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In our old house, my b and e sage was in a detached shed. I had also beefed up the doors and bars (pipe) on the one window. Past without comment, and reinspection was never a issue.

Why not show the photos to your arms officer or whoever does the licensing in your area and ask them?

They will be the one saying yes or no. Not the online peanut gallery here.

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Originally Posted by Paddy79

If its in a detached garage you will be told it has to be in the house before they will pass it

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Not true, whilst it is preferred to be in the house, it's not required as long as the detached building is secure eg. Windows barred, solid door and it is in good condition.

I had mine secured exactly the same as the OP, passed the inspection with no dramas. Don't see why you'd have any trouble with yours.

Surely if the detached building is alarmed and monitored along with the required level of security (barred windows, grilled door) and appropriate safe is fixed properly, the inspector should find it acceptable? I will be facing a similar situation in a couple of months too.

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Originally Posted by erniec

Why I am curious.

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Fucked if I know, go ask the cops.
I assume they are generally not as secure as a house and away from main living quarters?
I had to shift mine inside and my garage is a lot harder to get into than my house.

It can come down to how you "sell" the idea to the ao, it has been suggested that barring windows etc advertises the fact that items of interest are inside and potentially encourages attention. The construction and attachment of the safe are of greater importance.

Quote....”.Not the online peanut gallery here.”

Lol.......I presume that includes yourself???

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Originally Posted by systolic

Why not show the photos to your arms officer or whoever does the licensing in your area and ask them?

They will be the one saying yes or no. Not the online peanut gallery here.

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This.
They should be appreciative of not having to come back twice.

Paddy,...it’s because your “known”......you sure your not on “MOST WANTED”posters in the post office,police stations etc,....lay low son!.

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Originally Posted by Paddy79

Fucked if I know, go ask the cops.
I assume they are generally not as secure as a house and away from main living quarters?
I had to shift mine inside and my garage is a lot harder to get into than my house.

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I have mine in a detached garage with unbarred windows, no alarm and a couple of added on bolt locks with standard padlocks. Safe is bolted with 4x 12mm dynabolts to the concrete and 4x 12mm coach screws into the wall with a board over the studs between it and the safe. Inspector had no issue with it and I've now since added a security camera. Whilst I understand that won't prevent the crime, it may help solve it after the fact.

So no, detached garages are not a no go full stop, and no bars over your windows are not a requirement. But if you can do it and afford it, why not?

Just because something has passed inspection, doesn't mean you shouldn't add more to your security.

Out of curiosity is it possible to get a b/e cat safe signed off when bolted through a wooden floor onto a steel plate under joists?

Thinking of getting endorsements but don't have a concrete floor to put a safe on

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Originally Posted by 223nut

Out of curiosity is it possible to get a b/e cat safe signed off when bolted through a wooden floor onto a steel plate under joists?

Thinking of getting endorsements but don't have a concrete floor to put a safe on

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Yes, but you would be best getting the details sorted with your AO before going ahead with it to save having to do it again.

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Originally Posted by jackbowring

Hi all, im looking at apply for B and E cat endorsements. I've installed this certified E cat safe and wonder if whether anyone knows the regs for installation? I can't find them.

The garage has a one window and a door, and is the only room I can put it in. The safe is out of sight from the window but is visible from the back door.... so I covered it up.

2 x 12mm x 75mm runs bolts in base, with 2 x M10 coach screws through the back into a stud.

What do you think.

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Looks like a very good job. Only suggestion would be to use some decent sized washers underneath those small bolt heads. Not entirely necessary but it helps as the mild steel some gun cabinets are made from can be brittle.

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Originally Posted by 223nut

Out of curiosity is it possible to get a b/e cat safe signed off when bolted through a wooden floor onto a steel plate under joists?

Thinking of getting endorsements but don't have a concrete floor to put a safe on

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No problem with that. Make the plate larger than the base area of your gun cabinet and the bolts unable to be undone (rounded, welded or burred) from underneath.

@jackbowring

I'd cover that in cardboard, make it look like a tall cardboard box. Make it so the front swings open and put a couple hooks, one either side, into the wall and string a bungee between them to make it appear they keep the box upright against the wall in case of earthquake - also serves to keep the cardboard "door" shut. The sides will have to be a bit proud of the safe, or the safe handle will bulge through the front flap. Write "GAZEBO" on it with big letters visible from the door. And yes, place other junk next to it either side. Won't catch an eye. Security through obfuscation!

I'd hesitate to put bars on my garage windows. . . seems like throwing out a challenge to burglars. Just make sure the windows cannot ever be opened sufficiently for even Jenny Craig's ghost to squeeze itself in.

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Originally Posted by Paddy79

If its in a detached garage you will be told it has to be in the house before they will pass it

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my e cat is in detached garage, audit done in the last two months.

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Originally Posted by jackbowring

Hi all, im looking at apply for B and E cat endorsements. I've installed this certified E cat safe and wonder if whether anyone knows the regs for installation? I can't find them.

The garage has a one window and a door, and is the only room I can put it in. The safe is out of sight from the window but is visible from the back door.... so I covered it up.

2 x 12mm x 75mm runs bolts in base, with 2 x M10 coach screws through the back into a stud.

What do you think?

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if only more installs were done like that. half of the security is no body knowing you have a save.

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Originally Posted by mucko

Half of the security is no body knowing you have a safe.

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I agree with @mucko's understatement.