When our long gun registry ended in Canada the gun control groups and liberal party (our current majority government and rabidly anti-gun creators of our current firearms act) claimed that this was going to happen. Ultimately it hasn't, and the few cases that have popped up have been tracked back to the stores they were bought from anyways. I accept that NZ isn't the same as Canada in terms of social and economic issues, however I would think Canada has a stronger criminal network as it's tied in with the drug trade through the US, and a far larger population, so it stands to reason if crime were to be a large issue, it would be so in Canada.
Ultimately the confiscation issue is what caused our long gun registration to be ended in Canada. I was more or less ok with the system we had until our federal police started to change their interpretations of the law in order to seize different makes/models of firearms based on their new interpretations (IE It looks like an AK, therefore it is an AK, therefore it's prohibited and we're taking it or you're going to jail). When this started happening frequently the firearms community voted in the government of the time (conservatives, pro-gun) and ended the long gun registry, which was good timing considering our current gov is now working on legislation to ban the guns that were de-registered, as well as those still registered (pistols and full/converted autos).
Added bonus - having clear specific photos also often helps insurance pay out on rare or unique firearms that would otherwise be hard to assess by the insurance company.
Interestingly Canada's crime rates, gun violence, homicide rates and suicide rates all kept declining at a consistent and unaffected rate since the 70's, through the 90's (when our firearms act came into effect) and through to today, some 5 years after the long gun registry was scrapped. Also our registry was, and remains to be, a colossal money hole. It seems to be stabilizing a bit now (27 years later), but it's been orders of magnitude over budget every year since it was created, and only started to vaguely operate correctly after the long gun registry was ended, reducing its load by 3/4 and retaining the same excess budget to run it... so in truth the system might have been functional with a budget 4 times larger, but even now it struggles along. Last number I saw was that it was supposed to cost 2 million per year to run but by 2002 it was $629 million over budget, after which time they stopped talking about it. Keep in mind the system frequently lost registry information, was riddled with errors, transfers took 3-12 weeks to process or were lost, and it's estimated that there was only a 40-60% compliance/registration rate.
It seems to me the gist of the conversation (now that it's not about E cat storage) is whether a registry is a good idea or not. At its core the question is: Will the government eventually decide to use the registry to force the surrender of private property, and am I ok with this?
It sounds like NZ is approaching firearms control the same way Canada did - as a feel-good reaction to a non-existent problem. Guns are an easy target to legislate against, the average city person or member of the public only knows guns from movies and news reports, so in their mind guns can be found anywhere easily, the minute you pick one up you're instantly rambo, and that they compel you to start world war 3, so of course they support firearms control. By legislating against firearms the government addresses media sensationalism, and looks like it's doing something, all the while not actually having to do anything to get results.
It seems that NZ has a semi functional system in place, and I don't know enough about it to really comment on what it is, but I can say that any attempt to implement a universal system like in Canada isn't going to work - it's too expensive and complicated, and even when our government threw money at ours for 25 years, it still didn't work, and has now been partially dismantled. Additionally, I don't consider it paranoid to dislike the idea of firearms being registered. I used to be ok with it, and then went through 10 years of the police arbitrarily changing the rules, and now am facing the prospect of the current majority government changing the rules yet again and banning most of the guns on the market today, including but not limited to, a ton of great hunting guns, because they look scary.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand the respect you guys have for the system and its purpose, but I also speak from experience when I say that it does not take much time at all for the laws to change. Not having a registry was the only thing that caused the police to rethink those laws, and is currently the only bargaining tool the firearms and hunting communities have now that there's an anti-gun government in power in Canada. As said above, the real question is: What are the real costs to society from not registering firearms? Are you willing to accept that you, or your children will have their property confiscated now or later, in what is likely to be an ineffective and useless law aimed at making the public feel safe?
Anyways, I'm out. I realize I'm new to the forum and making more waves than is generally polite, so I'll avoid the politics for a bit.
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