Thread: Is this 'fair'?

Question, if said firearm was in a locked case and at least part of said case was visible. Does this constitute " in sight" ?
You can't see the firearm as such. But everyone knows what's in a rifle case. I know you are required to conceal with jackets or what ever. But as I said, what if part of the case is still visible. You need a lot of stuff to cover one case let alone two. Even harder too make it looks like the stuff is covering something. A case does pretty much go from one side of a vehicle to the other. So a full load of stuff in the back seat is required in a ute that has no boot or tray cover.

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Originally Posted by r87mm

Question, if said firearm was in a locked case and at least part of said case was visible. Does this constitute " in sight" ?
You can't see the firearm as such. But everyone knows what's in a rifle case. I know you are required to conceal with jackets or what ever. But as I said, what if part of the case is still visible. You need a lot of stuff to cover one case let alone two. Even harder too make it looks like the stuff is covering something. A case does pretty much go from one side of a vehicle to the other. So a full load of stuff in the back seat is required in a ute that has no boot or tray cover.

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Quote:But everyone knows what's in a rifle case, Unquote. I think you pretty much answered your own question there.

Originally Posted by Tasbay

Quote:But everyone knows what's in a rifle case, Unquote. I think you pretty much answered your own question there.

Funny story; on a building site, tradie rocks up with pole sander, just so happens to fit nicely in a plastic gun case, consulting engineer spots said gun case, phone calls made to site management, all hell breaks loose, tradie gets a new a***hole reamed, said tradie opens said gun case to with the explanation along lines of never assume, Alcapone carried a violin case

Originally Posted by Bent Barrel

Funny story; on a building site, tradie rocks up with pole sander, just so happens to fit nicely in a plastic gun case, consulting engineer spots said gun case, phone calls made to site management, all hell breaks loose, tradie gets a new a***hole reamed, said tradie opens said gun case to with the explanation along lines of never assume, Alcapone carried a violin case

consulting engineer would from that day forthwith be called Karen and delivered as much shit as humanly possible..... dog pooh collected in bucket and left beside drivers door of his vechile too...... its a plastic case..the nailguns made in distinctive shape would be great around said Karen too...what a plonker.

Originally Posted by r87mm

Question, if said firearm was in a locked case and at least part of said case was visible. Does this constitute " in sight" ?
You can't see the firearm as such. But everyone knows what's in a rifle case. I know you are required to conceal with jackets or what ever. But as I said, what if part of the case is still visible. You need a lot of stuff to cover one case let alone two. Even harder too make it looks like the stuff is covering something. A case does pretty much go from one side of a vehicle to the other. So a full load of stuff in the back seat is required in a ute that has no boot or tray cover.

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I was about to ask that same question.
The firearm is not visible/concealed if it is in a case.
If the case has to be concealed, then does an empty case have to be concealed also?
I have heard of people being reprimanded for having an empty ammo box visible in their vehicle.
People need to grow some balls and stand up to bullshit intimidation such as this.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I was about to ask that same question.
The firearm is not visible/concealed if it is in a case.
If the case has to be concealed, then does an empty case have to be concealed also?
I have heard of people being reprimanded for having an empty ammo box visible in their vehicle.
People need to grow some balls and stand up to bullshit intimidation such as this.

There was a guy in Fendalton a few years back that got the full Armed offenders response when a numpty called the cops on him "carrying a firearm in public"....I use quote marks as once they stopped him they found out the near new gunbag had been purchased via trademe and coincidentally the seller was less than a block away so he walked. Bag was apparently folded in half while walking ......

I can almost understand a overpaid numpty who knows nothing about firearms potentially being scared by a cammo piece of cloth.....but the AO squad should have known that way before they got that close.....

Please bear in mind this was published in the Press so like all media some of the veracity has potential for Editorial (artistic?) license....

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I was about to ask that same question.
The firearm is not visible/concealed if it is in a case.
If the case has to be concealed, then does an empty case have to be concealed also?
I have heard of people being reprimanded for having an empty ammo box visible in their vehicle.
People need to grow some balls and stand up to bullshit intimidation such as this.

My 10c and anyone in the know please feel free to correct:

If the case conceals the firearm then the firearm is concealed as per law. As has been pointed out, this is not a particularly effective way of concealing a firearm. When one reads into the intent of the law, it is to avoid people knowing there is a firearm in the vehicle when it is left unattended.
For at least 25 years The arms code has provided similar guidance for leaving a firearm in a vehicle where this is the best option in an unforseeable circumstance.

Putting the technicalities of the law to the side for a moment, I don’t leave items visible in my vehicle that suggest the presence of firearms because it reduces the chance of someone breaking into the vehicle. When I leave a gunbag in the vehicle to go hunting, I fold it and put it under the seat, otherwise it looks like there could be a firearm in the vehicle. Same as not leaving any other valuables visible in an unattended vehicle.

You could have a firearm in a case in a car and be compliant or you could have a firearm in a case in a car where the case cant be seen and be compliant plus reduce the chance of vehicle break ins.

As for covering a case, an oilskin coat works pretty good for that, I just keep mine in the vehicle and it comes in handy for rainy days too.