FAL renewal

So, my application to renew is in the system.
On the advice of the officer in Hamilton that phoned me to point out it had expired (no reminder sent :(), I put my sister in uk as a second referee.
No problem as they just do a phone interview according to said officer. I don't have any family in NZ.

Just had a follow up call from Nelson police, saying that I cant use sis as a referee as they need to do face to face interview. I point out the lack of family in NZ, and that my ex is unlikely to speak very well of me if I put her name down.

I have now been told to put down the name of someone that knows me well, and is preferably local.
Seems they make they change the rules to suit

Makes perfect sense to me to want face to face interviews. A phone interview could be almost anyone.

way back when i got my first FAL my referee was a senior cop in west auckland, phone call was about 30 seconds long and that was it.

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Originally Posted by mikee

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I have put my landlord down, with his permission.
The police recently phoned me as his referee, so I KNOW that is the usual way around here, even if face to face makes more sense.
It just sucks that the police are not all singing from the same sheet

My understanding was that new applications were completely face to face, but renewals had discretion to use phone for referees

Regardless, you’re better to nominate a local of good repute rather than a relative who’s overseas IMHO

Your shrink?

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Originally Posted by systolic

Makes perfect sense to me to want face to face interviews. A phone interview could be almost anyone.

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Twice when I have been a referee all I received was a phone call from the vetting officer.

I had my renewal early last year or late the year before, they did phone call to my second referee but face to face with the missus the same day they interviewed me and did security inspection.

Mine was a Judge mate and the interview was very short so I am told :P

Many year ago I applied for a renewal and put a friend who was president of the local pistol club. It was taking some time and I had a hunting trip planned so I went to the police staition to see what was the hold up. The arms office took one look at my referee and reissued my licence on the spot. When I told my friend what had happened she laughed and told me she rings him if she didn’t think they were sound and proper people. No phone call ok. My how things have changed.

Same I moved to Christchurch from Oz 2 years ago. All my firearms owning mates were on the coast.
I did surrender it back in the day so it was a renewal of sorts. he got a phone call.

Little bit of topic but....
Passport expired while here in the uk they ask in the renewal process for another kiwi passport holder to act as a reference. Not a family member. Him ten years ago would have not been a problem but now shit there's no kiwis that I know of that live here.
Ended up using a mate of mine that works in the mines in Africa even gave them his African cell phone.
Sent it in on Friday night got the passport on Monday afternoon did not even ask for the fast turnaround.:wtfsmilie:

Guess anyone can get a nz passport but FAL well guard those closely because your an elite group :thumbsup:

As an aside, I had my local copper/ FAO from nz ring me up in Aussie when I'd been there 18 months to ask me what I was doing with my license as it was due to expire. I'd forgotten about it.
He suggested that I surrender it as it would be a better thing than lust letting it lapse.
It made a difference when I redid it after moving it back.

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Originally Posted by Pengy

So, my application to renew is in the system.
On the advice of the officer in Hamilton that phoned me to point out it had expired (no reminder sent :(), I put my sister in uk as a second referee.
No problem as they just do a phone interview according to said officer. I don't have any family in NZ.

Just had a follow up call from Nelson police, saying that I cant use sis as a referee as they need to do face to face interview. I point out the lack of family in NZ, and that my ex is unlikely to speak very well of me if I put her name down.

I have now been told to put down the name of someone that knows me well, and is preferably local.
Seems they make they change the rules to suit

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Bullshit. What about us.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

Bullshit. What about us.

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I thought about that angle after typing my post :thumbsup:
Not having the paperwork in front of me now, I cant quote the exact wording. But I believe it says that the referee has to be a reli, spouse or someone living with you.

I've been the reference for renewal for two mates and it has been phone calls both times

Yep done refs for people wanting there e, all done by phone. First one was before i had my e endorsement.

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Originally Posted by Pengy

So, my application to renew is in the system.
On the advice of the officer in Hamilton that phoned me to point out it had expired (no reminder sent :(), I put my sister in uk as a second referee.
No problem as they just do a phone interview according to said officer. I don't have any family in NZ.

Just had a follow up call from Nelson police, saying that I cant use sis as a referee as they need to do face to face interview. I point out the lack of family in NZ, and that my ex is unlikely to speak very well of me if I put her name down.

I have now been told to put down the name of someone that knows me well, and is preferably local.
Seems they make they change the rules to suit

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Im in Ill be a referee for you, have known you long enough?

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Originally Posted by Pengy

I thought about that angle after typing my post :thumbsup:
Not having the paperwork in front of me now, I cant quote the exact wording. But I believe it says that the referee has to be a reli, spouse or someone living with you.

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Can you dog write?

Same here.
What the police "require" seems to vary depending on the region and who you deal with.

The regional inconsistencies applied by various AOs across police districts was acknowledged as a concern at the recent road-show re the FAL processes. My impression was that it was something that would be attended to...

Some years ago when I renewed immediately following a separation, the AO insisted on interviewing my ex. His comment to me later was that he could quite understand why I’d left her....

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Originally Posted by SiB

The regional inconsistencies applied by various AOs across police districts was acknowledged as a concern at the recent road-show re the FAL processes. My impression was that it was something that would be attended to...

Some years ago when I renewed immediately following a separation, the AO insisted on interviewing my ex. His comment to me later was that he could quite understand why I’d left her....

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Geeze that made me laugh, Agony Ounts now!! :D

Just had my renewal too. AO was mostly good but did try to tell me I had to store magazines separately and it was illegal to store guns with magazines in. Safe to say I corrected her, though she had a pretty blank look of non-understanding when I mentioned there are issues with police changing their policies when the law hasn't changed.

I’ve been a 2nd ref on a couple of mates renewals and they were both phone calls

For both a renewal and a first time licence. Spouse, partner or next of kin are face to face. If none of these are in NZ then someone who knows you well and always face to face.

For a renewal licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) can be a phone call.

For a first time licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) is face to face.

I renewed mine last month.

Firstly - I got a letter notifying me that my license was due to expire, a month before it would expire. Big tick to coppers there.
Secondly, BOTH of my referees were phone calls - my mother in Palmerston North, my friend (paramedic for St Johns, not that it matters) in Auckland
Then I was phoned and a time made for a visit from assessing person - checked my security, had a yarn and actually a decent chat.
2 weeks later my replacement license arrived.

Yes, I'm only on a "lowly" A-cat license...... but I was impressed. Quick, easy, simple, efficient. So big ups to the Albany area guy here in Auckland.

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I renewed mine last month.
....Secondly, BOTH of my referees were phone calls - my mother in Palmerston North, my friend (paramedic for St Johns, not that it matters) in Auckland...

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First time I've heard of the next of kin being a phone call. If the NOK lives outside of your district then the interview section for that person is normally faxed or mailed through to the police in that area for a face to face interview.

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Originally Posted by 10-Ring

For both a renewal and a first time licence. Spouse, partner or next of kin are face to face. If none of these are in NZ then someone who knows you well and always face to face.

For a renewal licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) can be a phone call.

For a first time licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) is face to face.

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Yes that's how its done.

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Originally Posted by 10-Ring

For both a renewal and a first time licence. Spouse, partner or next of kin are face to face. If none of these are in NZ then someone who knows you well and always face to face.

For a renewal licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) can be a phone call.

For a first time licence, the unrelated referee (in the unrelated referee section) is face to face.

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Yeah, like Tasbay said, that seems to be the general rules to the process from my observations.

Pengy I would have thought you would know enough fellahs in the Nelson area that know you to give them a referee a week for the next year.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Pengy I would have thought you would know enough fellahs in the Nelson area that know you to give them a referee a week for the next year.

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Maybe so, but the form asked for a spouse or next of kin etc etc
Either way, all is good. The fao met me at the gate 2.5 kms away and didn't bother doing the hard yards to inspect my security :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Shearer

Bullshit. What about us.

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Well @Shearer you are a bit on the short side! And do come from the other island so I guess with a bit of DNA testing you most properly are kin to the hermit on the hill!

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Originally Posted by stingray

Well @Shearer you are a bit on the short side! And do come from the other island so I guess with a bit of DNA testing you most properly are kin to the hermit on the hill!

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Haha. Yeah. We do have that in common @stingray. I think he shares your hair follicle gene though.:D

Last time I talked to our Local AO, it was made pretty clear that he didnt have much of a sense of humour, and if he said "it" was the-law, then "it" was, regardless of what any Statutes said.... So, is it actually legal to leave a magazine in a secured rifle ? (bolt-action and empty mag with bolt secured separately )

@rewa well what do you do if you have an old school bolt action with just a hinged floorplate or even one of the few with a blind floorplate?
you cant remove them so what difference does it make for a mag? At worst it would be a single shot but if you have the bolt secured then it doesn't matter.
What about semi and pumps? Do they make us take out the trigger group (try that on my browning A5-aint gonna happen) or maybe a barrel?
Not possible on the rifles but maybe the trigger groups on some of them.
What about my rossi 92-cant do jack to that-trigger mag or nothing. same for all the lever 3030's around
I know this doesn't help but I reckon all of those scenarios aren't covered in the act-it would be about secure and safe storage.
His interpretation guaranteed but if you have a removable mag it is easy to do. I always used to take them out of the 22's and have them separate.

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Originally Posted by rewa

Last time I talked to our Local AO, it was made pretty clear that he didnt have much of a sense of humour, and if he said "it" was the-law, then "it" was, regardless of what any Statutes said.... So, is it actually legal to leave a magazine in a secured rifle ? (bolt-action and empty mag with bolt secured separately )

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From the horses mouth, the Arms Regulations 1992:

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Originally Posted by Arms Regulations 1992

Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:

(a)the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:

(b)the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, either—
(i)shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
(ii)shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:

(c)the holder shall take reasonable steps to ensure that any firearm in the holder’s possession is secured against theft:

(d)the holder shall, where he or she has possession of a firearm that is—
(i)a flare pistol; or
(ii)a humane killer; or
(iii)a stock marking pistol,—

keep it in a locked container, except where it is under the holder’s immediate and personal supervision.

(2)On and after 1 July 1993 the reasonable steps required by subclause (1)(c) shall include—

(a)keeping on the holder’s premises—
(i)a lockable cabinet, container, or receptacle of stout construction in which firearms may be stored; or
(ii)a lockable steel and concrete strongroom in which firearms may be stored; or
(iii)a display cabinet or rack in which firearms may be immobilised and locked so that none of them may be fired; and

(b)keeping locked or immobilised and locked in the cabinet, container, receptacle, strongroom, display cabinet, or rack required by paragraph (a) every firearm which is on the holder’s premises and which is not under immediate and personal supervision of the holder or some other holder of a firearms licence; and

(c) ensuring that no firearm in the holder’s possession is left in a vehicle that is unattended.

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I used to store my magazines separately with the bolts, until the time I forgot one and spent an afternoon rabbit shooting having to single-feed a 22 with no magazine... I still store my bolts separately because it seems sensible even though it isn't legally required either, never forgotten one of those.

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Originally Posted by rewa

Last time I talked to our Local AO, it was made pretty clear that he didnt have much of a sense of humour, and if he said "it" was the-law, then "it" was, regardless of what any Statutes said.... So, is it actually legal to leave a magazine in a secured rifle ? (bolt-action and empty mag with bolt secured separately )

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Tube magazines, blind magazines etc. No legal requirement to remove the magazine. Though it's a good idea to remove the bolt in a bolt action rifle and secure separately, it's not a legal requirement either.

So what's the current turn around time for a renewal? Reckon if I apply 6months in advance things will go smoothly?

Going to be interesting getting interviews done on the island we don't have an arms officer....

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Originally Posted by Pengy

Maybe so, but the form asked for a spouse or next of kin etc etc
Either way, all is good. The fao met me at the gate 2.5 kms away and didn't bother doing the hard yards to inspect my security :thumbsup:

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Update.
Seems the bloke who interviewed me was not the FAO, but simply the civvy vetter.
I went to the cop shop to chase up yet again today, and was told that he has been instructed by the police to carry out an inspection of my security...which is what he should have done back in September