Thread: Firearms ban in Western aussie

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

it has been pointed out my above post may well be unfair...I shall amend my comment to say...... it was actions of SOME MSSA users not Ecat holders that were the issue.....the bending/breaking of rules were being encouraged by a certain retailer and had been done so for such a long time it had almost become accepted as "normal behaviour"
shitting in communal nest.

it is my belief that bashing police actions and threatening to carry out illegal acts is also shitting in communal nest.

ALL people involved in firearms usage no matter what shape of form need to clean up their shit period no exceptions or all will suffer the backlash.

@7mmwsm

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Helen Clark signed us up to do so with UN and cinders was just following through on that..

AHHHH there we go. Weather we like it or not we are being crushed under a larger political movement, firearms are only one thing.. There are many more parts to this movement.

Anyway, it will slowly but surely impede on your life in one way or another, enjoy!

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Micky it wasn't true e cat people flouting the rules. It a cat holders wanting e cat guns. They could have left e cat as it was. A cat shooters would have bitched and moaned, but they could still applied for e.

And there is a summation of the short-sightedness of the politicians et al.....When the difference between a restricted (E) firearm and a 'normal' (A) firearm is whether it has a particular type of handle attached or a bayonet mount fitted it shows they wanted these gone any way they could. They knew they couldn't ban them way back when they dreamed up E cat / MSSA as they knew the public would see it for what it was.....Solution ; mismanage the whole system, rob all of the funding and resources for it, let it fall over - then when it all turns to shit, muster uninformed outcry, blame those who were not the problem and start their banning starting with E cat- progressing to whatever they can add bit by bit....


Everytime it is the LFAO who are asked to compromise....which has got us this far...and now we are being asked to 'compromise' again...I put compromise in brackets because compromise means that both parties settle in the middle. AS LFAOs we have done ALL the compromising...and the antis (govt / police etc) have not budged. it might look like they have for a moment, but as soon as the dust starts to fall down again, they ask for even more. That is not compromise- that is a shafting pure and simple.

Originally Posted by HG Man

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...ly%20deadline.

Firearms and ammunition designed to shoot over long ranges with extraordinary power and precision will be outlawed in WA from 1 July
56 types of firearms will become illegal
19 calibres of ammunition will become illegal
A total of 248 licensed firearms in WA will become illegal
The WA Government will fund market-value buyback

.340 Weatherby Magnum
.28 Nosler
.330 Dakota
.338 Lapua
.300 Lapua Magnum
.338-404 Jeffery
.338 Norma Magnum
.338-378 Weatherby Magnum
338 Edge
.30-378 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Norma Magnum
.375 A-Square
.375 Gibbs
.460 Steyr
.375 CheyTac
.416 Barrett
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.55 Boys

He conceded the kinds of rifles being targeted had not previously been used against police officers but said that was not a strong enough reason not to act proactively. “They need to be removed. They’re a threat. You don’t wait until the event happens, you don’t wait until the tragedy occurs to act,” Mr Papalia said.

All my waht...

So why isn't this fuktard proactively removing the threat of paedophiles and other scum and stop releasing people early from prison the hypocrisy' of it all

In most similar democracies, e.g. UK, gun control has stopped at what the ordinary guy would regard as the typical sporting rifle. It’s been that way for many years now. Gun control as I experienced it did not in any way shape or form stop me from hunting, be it deerstalking, rough shooting with 12ga or rimfire small game shooting.

We all share the same concerns about over-reach and excessive imposition of control due to ulterior motives. If the police motive truly is the removal of all firearms from society, and there is irrefutable evidence that supports this view, then how do you propose we go about stopping it? Because this is the next part of the face-to-face conversation I have with people who are worried about this. They all say the same thing… unless we stop it. But how?

The how part never gets a straight answer.

What do you propose?[/QUOTE]

I should have addressed this before now, but in my eyes the answer is normalisation of the sport, and the tools of the sport. I introduce as many people as I can to hunting - via venison sausages, through taking them target shooting, through talking about pheasant hunting and the dog work that goes with it - all of the joy of the hunting experience.

I'm not trying to turn them into hunters necessarily, just to show them that this is something done by normal people, and no threat to them.

Politicians will vote in response to their perceptions of the electorates willingness to punish them for choices that they oppose. What I mean by that is that most pollies have a hierarchy of motivations. First, re-election. Second, a personal and party series of agendas. Their actions are managed by a question that sounds like "will this hurt my chances of getting back in at the next election?", and if they perceive that the bulk of the population is either actively anti, or at least apathetic to a group (for example, shooters) then they have carte blanche to do what they want, on the grounds that this won't get in the way at the next election. What I am looking to do is to move people from passive/possibly concerned about guns towards either moderately positive, or at worst meh about the question.

The people we should be looking to involve are those on the fence, whose perceptions have been gained through movies, tv and the media and not through contact with decent people who enjoy shooting. Show them the face of sport shooting is not Rambo, but George the mechanic or whomever you are.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Politicians will vote in response to their perceptions of the electorates willingness to punish them for choices that they oppose. What I mean by that is that most pollies have a hierarchy of motivations. First, re-election. Second, a personal and party series of agendas. Their actions are managed by a question that sounds like "will this hurt my chances of getting back in at the next election?", and if they perceive that the bulk of the population is either actively anti, or at least apathetic to a group (for example, shooters) then they have carte blanche to do what they want, on the grounds that this won't get in the way at the next election. .

so.....the gangs are left to do as they please and the drug dealers are whacked with wet bus ticket then offered councilling for the trauma afterwards BECAUSE???? the polititions have realised the gangs are now so big that everyone in country who votes is tied into someone with a patch??? and the drug problem is so huge the connection is even bigger...radio as typing this says the addicted in Gisborne will be suffering and may need hospitalization and in some cases deprivation may lead to death.....

Although not "Banned" in South Australia it is very difficult to get a 338 Lapua or any Cheytac chambered rifles for the reason "They could take down a helicopter". Guys that do have them are Landholders with a block over a certain size. Or they have designated their rifles using the metric chambering ie 8.6×70 mm. If you put .338 down as a calibre on a"Permit To Aquire" Firearms branch will call you and ask to specify the chambering.
Unfortunately when Firearms Acts were updated in SA the Act allowed legislation by regulation, The Police wrote both the Act and the regulations. Which they can change (regulations)as they see fit.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

radio as typing this says the addicted in Gisborne will be suffering and may need hospitalization and in some cases deprivation may lead to death.....

Isn’t that typical. Just when I small out of fucks to give.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so.....the gangs are left to do as they please and the drug dealers are whacked with wet bus ticket then offered councilling for the trauma afterwards BECAUSE???? the polititions have realised the gangs are now so big that everyone in country who votes is tied into someone with a patch??? and the drug problem is so huge the connection is even bigger...radio as typing this says the addicted in Gisborne will be suffering and may need hospitalization and in some cases deprivation may lead to death.....

Can't win 'em all MD.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so.....the gangs are left to do as they please and the drug dealers are whacked with wet bus ticket then offered councilling for the trauma afterwards BECAUSE???? the polititions have realised the gangs are now so big that everyone in country who votes is tied into someone with a patch??? and the drug problem is so huge the connection is even bigger...radio as typing this says the addicted in Gisborne will be suffering and may need hospitalization and in some cases deprivation may lead to death.....

I think the answer is a whole lot more complex and nuanced than just go hard and lock the sons of bitches up.

There is an employment component, an associates and community component, a pride component, a family component, a money component, a solo parent component, an education component, a lack of belonging, of excitement....and it isn't accidental that gaining a patch involves doing something that makes it impossible to be accepted back into "polite" society.

I don't think that any party is courting the gang vote, but I do think that doing the things that will fix it are going to be hard, and could risk the voter base of some of the parties.

If it was simple the fix would have been done already.

oh dont worry,I dont advocate locking the sons of bitches up..my methods would be rather more "terminal" than that.
simple fix HAS already been done before..but as a nation/society we have got all soft n PC .

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so.....the gangs are left to do as they please and the drug dealers are whacked with wet bus ticket then offered councilling for the trauma afterwards BECAUSE???? the polititions have realised the gangs are now so big that everyone in country who votes is tied into someone with a patch??? and the drug problem is so huge the connection is even bigger...radio as typing this says the addicted in Gisborne will be suffering and may need hospitalization and in some cases deprivation may lead to death.....

Sorry but according to todays information....The gangs are 'community leaders' and have been asked by Nashie to to show leadership and discourage looting in the flooded areas up north...They mobilised 600 police for the protests at parliament, and they mobilised the armed forces for the Chch earthquakes (though unarmed in that role...) And Nash is from up that way somewhere, isnt he?

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

I think the answer is a whole lot more complex and nuanced than just go hard and lock the sons of bitches up.

There is an employment component, an associates and community component, a pride component, a family component, a money component, a solo parent component, an education component, a lack of belonging, of excitement....and it isn't accidental that gaining a patch involves doing something that makes it impossible to be accepted back into "polite" society.

I don't think that any party is courting the gang vote, but I do think that doing the things that will fix it are going to be hard, and could risk the voter base of some of the parties.

If it was simple the fix would have been done already.

Well there will be plenty of opportunity for employment, community pride, family, money and all that you mentioned Ross in the next few years.
I genuinely hope that many will seize the chance to build something amazing for themselves and community

Originally Posted by mikee

The reason we will lose our hobby in the end is Apathy, that and the fact that most user cannot seem to understand that throwing each under under the bus in the vain and forlorn hope that they will be allowed to continue their particular discipline or hobby in the short term.

Some FAL user groups seem to have the perception than some firearms are "badder" than others based upon the "look", Calibre, action type or the fact that they were "military grade" whatever the hell that means.

I have done my bit with multiple donations to COLFO and other groups, (for all the good it has done) and will continue to do so. I will also continue to support all the different user groups and disciplines even though I am not particularly interested in them.

Hell I would support the Muzzle Loading Morris dancing user group

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So by page 4 I realize the only thing I will get out of this thread is the want to see @mikee morris dancing.

Originally Posted by sneeze

So by page 4 I realize the only thing I will get out of this thread is the want to see @mikee morris dancing.

Hey I said I would support them ........................I never said I would demonstrate @sneeze