Firearms ban in Western aussie

Nothing to do with firearms safety.
They are just scared haters. Been pretty tough on gun owners for yonks


https://fb.watch/iJpUeivdyp/

https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...ly%20deadline.

Firearms and ammunition designed to shoot over long ranges with extraordinary power and precision will be outlawed in WA from 1 July
56 types of firearms will become illegal
19 calibres of ammunition will become illegal
A total of 248 licensed firearms in WA will become illegal
The WA Government will fund market-value buyback

.340 Weatherby Magnum
.28 Nosler
.330 Dakota
.338 Lapua
.300 Lapua Magnum
.338-404 Jeffery
.338 Norma Magnum
.338-378 Weatherby Magnum
338 Edge
.30-378 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Norma Magnum
.375 A-Square
.375 Gibbs
.460 Steyr
.375 CheyTac
.416 Barrett
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.55 Boys

He conceded the kinds of rifles being targeted had not previously been used against police officers but said that was not a strong enough reason not to act proactively. “They need to be removed. They’re a threat. You don’t wait until the event happens, you don’t wait until the tragedy occurs to act,” Mr Papalia said.

All my waht...

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Originally Posted by GDMP

Hard to see what the threat could be there....few would own them and for the most part they seem to be calibers (and obviously, rifles) specifically designed for large game hunting....which of course they do have in Australia.I do hope all the hunters out there are paying attention......

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Its about setting the precedent, so they can put in more restrictions

soooo - all registered and they are removing 248 firearms, all legally held.

You really struggle with what the real greater threat is as compared to a (say) 270. The people that own those calibres, are not likely to use them inappropriately........ they are not cheap guns....

But hang on, the criminals will still have theirs.

On the basis of his thinking, I am waiting for them to ban all cars - cause they maybe used against police, and we need to be proactive.

Now - I must get that 30-378 before it is banned - for chris-sake a 30 calibre.

Where are Mark ans Sam based?
Would they be affected?

.28nosler is surprise inclusion to that list....

no 7mm STW ETC ETC

This is the anti sniper rifle narrative that almost reared its ugly head during our confiscation.
Easy to see where it came from
WA have been hating on these heavy caliber rifles for yonks and really frown upon a lot of large caliber rifle ownership. As in you have to sell one if you want a different one.
You can't have both.
They trust you but they don't.
Watching to many sniper movies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ghQQcLVN0

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Originally Posted by Friwi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ghQQcLVN0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ghQQcLVN0

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Originally Posted by muzza

They have based their actions on NZ and Canada. There are very few gun owners in Western Australia as a percentage of the population - its always been the worst State in Oz for firearms ownership. It was difficult when I was there in the 1970s and has progressively got worse as time passes.

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Bollocks.

I’ve lived there twice in the 90s and 2010s and got my licence no problem both times, well within the time period they said it would be. Zero problems.

There’s a lot misinformation as usual, regarding this latest ban. As hunters in New Zealand - and Australia - we need to look at it in context. We are talking about 248 individual rifles. Not as some outlets would have you believe, over “200 types of hunting rifle”.

Read the list again and ask yourself how many hunters there are using those chamberings to either provide meat or control the considerable ungulate pest problem in W.A. I’ve been in contact with a bunch of my mates in Oz that I’ve hunted with all over from the Top End to the Snowies, and no one has a problem with it.

Personally, I’d remove the 28 Nosler and .300 Norma Mag off the list.

The ELR target guys are unfortunate collateral in a social battle we are fighting that will rumble on for years. My advice is pick your battles carefully, to win the war.

Unfortunately a similar ban is waiting in the wings here in a tranche, only time will tell if it is enacted :(

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Bollocks.

I’ve lived there twice in the 90s and 2010s and got my licence no problem both times, well within the time period they said it would be. Zero problems.

There’s a lot misinformation as usual, regarding this latest ban. As hunters in New Zealand - and Australia - we need to look at it in context. We are talking about 248 individual rifles. Not as some outlets would have you believe, over “200 types of hunting rifle”.

Read the list again and ask yourself how many hunters there are using those chamberings to either provide meat or control the considerable ungulate pest problem in W.A. I’ve been in contact with a bunch of my mates in Oz that I’ve hunted with all over from the Top End to the Snowies, and no one has a problem with it.

Personally, I’d remove the 28 Nosler and .300 Norma Mag off the list.

The ELR target guys are unfortunate collateral in a social battle we are fighting that will rumble on for years. My advice is pick your battles carefully, to win the war.

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The way to pick your battles is to ensure that legislation is purposeful, sensible, and effective. This is none of these three. It appears to me as a blatant and cynically curated checklist that simply met the budget available for confiscation reimbursement.

Some very specific wild cats on there, most of which Mark and Sam shoot….and very few others

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Originally Posted by Makros

The way to pick your battles is to ensure that legislation is purposeful, sensible, and effective. This is none of these three. It appears to me as a blatant and cynically curated checklist that simply met the budget available for confiscation reimbursement.

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Since when has politics been any different? This is clearly just a window dressing exercise in response to the most recent firearms nightmare in Aus. But will fighting it actually make any difference? Do people in the suburbs even take any notice? I doubt most even know about it.

But what does happen is an overblown emotional response on social media from firearms owners who are not in the slightest bit affected by a very minor tweak to the rules. Seriously, you need to go and have a look at some of the stuff that’s been written about this on the forums elsewhere.

The SSAA and the like should be making a much longer term and deeper rooted effort to demonstrate to suburban metropolitan Australians what firearms actually achieve in the outback. To be fair I think COLFO and Maori TV in particular have been doing a pretty good job of that over here in recent times. I don’t think the average non-gun person really has a problem with what we do.

We must learn the art of compromise to survive. I’ve lived in W.A. for years and I can assure you that 248 rifles out of the overall population is absolutely fuck all! Don’t let the 0.1% of the tail wag the rest of the dog.

This is a similar equivalent to some of the stupid visual cues that were used in our MSSAs years ago. Rifles weren't allowed to look bad.
Ergo rifles aren't allowed to be too powerful
Aussie at present across a few states are very into this.the firearm is irrelevant.
If the person is trusted and vetted correctly (see what I did there), then it shouldn't be a problem.
It isn't about common sense, it's fear and quite possibly votes with a gun hating police force in the background.
I believe the Canadian taxcinda wannabe Trudeau has apparently shitcanned one of their latest firearms bans.
Just been reading up on it. There was an energy restriction I believe. 100000joules.
Didn't matter if it was a ruger n01 or a weather 460.none practical for terrorist activities but classed as Armour piercing by the rozzersas justification

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Originally Posted by GDMP

All the calibers mentioned are sporting calibers.....hunting.The fact few have them or would want to use them is somewhat irrelevant.Far to many shooters seem Ok with sacrificing others as long as its not their own stuff getting binned....thats not compromise its just appeasement.Historically not a successful policy.....

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One only has to think along the lines of ' I dont use/own a semi auto, so it doesnt bother me" , let them fall under the bus ......nek minute !!!

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Originally Posted by GDMP

All the calibers mentioned are sporting calibers.....hunting.

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You know what? My son advised me not to reply to this. He’s 16. And he was right. Bugger that.

But what you’ve said is a load of bollocks! And this is the problem with the internet…

One random example…

The .408 Cheyenne Tactical (designated 408 Chey Tac (10.36×77mm) by the C.I.P.[3] from 2013 to 2021) is a specialized rimless, bottlenecked, centerfire cartridge for military long-range sniper rifles that was developed by Dr. John D. Taylor and machinist William O. Wordman. The round was designed with a possible military need for a cartridge for anti-personnel, anti-sniper, and anti-materiel roles with a (supersonic) precision range of 2,200 yards (2,000 m). It is offered as a competitor to the most common military NATO long-range service cartridges such as .338 Lapua Magnum and the .50 BMG.

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

You should have listened to your son, you come across as you condone these bans

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Two “c” words in play here brother. Condone and compromise.

Read what I said again, from the top.

didnt the calibers such as 22/ 303 come about because Au had banned any defense force type rounds waaaaay back. Is this just the wheel going around.

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

Do you honestly think they will stop with these calibres?

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Cartridges mate, cartridges. Start with getting that bit right and maybe the rest will follow.

I have absolutely no concern whatsoever about my regular hunting cartridges.

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Unfortunately a similar ban is waiting in the wings here in a tranche, only time will tell if it is enacted :(

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Yup during the madness of 2019, a credible source came across a list of chamberings that PNHQ were actively considering making prohibited. Essentially anything "more powerful" than 30/06 as I recall.

And these same people will have no qualms about arming you to the teeth with all sorts of nasty shit and sending you to war to kill people and die for them.
But they hate you to have access to firearms.
Go figure

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Cartridges mate, cartridges. Start with getting that bit right and maybe the rest will follow.

I have absolutely no concern whatsoever about my regular hunting cartridges.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

And these same people will have no qualms about arming you to the teeth with all sorts of nasty shit and sending you to war to kill people and die for them.
But they hate you to have access to firearms.
Go figure

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Because that is what war is mate. Old men talking and arguing. Young men dying. Nothing more, nothing less.

Quite simply. You are either fit to own firearms or you're not.
Owning one gun or 100 guns doesn't make you any more or less dangerous. Owning a 50 fundamentally isn't any more dangerous than a 22. Without sounding too much like a conspiracy theoryist. Except to the government.
When was the last time both parents and 3 siblings were shot dead in their house by a 50 without anyone hearing a peep?

So really we all know it isn't for public safety or anything logical except for political grandstanding.

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Originally Posted by Nugget connaisseur

Quite simply. You are either fit to own firearms or you're not.
Owning one gun or 100 guns doesn't make you any more or less dangerous. Owning a 50 fundamentally isn't any more dangerous than a 22. Without sounding too much like a conspiracy theoryist. Except to the government.
When was the last time both parents and 3 siblings were shot dead in their house by a 50 without anyone hearing a peep?

So really we all know it isn't for public safety or anything logical except for political grandstanding.

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Yup. i think that the rifle that is used the most in offences is the good old ruger 10/22. Only probably cos its the most common.

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Originally Posted by tac a1

Yup. i think that the rifle that is used the most in offences is the good old ruger 10/22. Only probably cos its the most common.

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Same when the fn57 first came out the media made a big deal about it and nick names it the cop killer...as the whole cartidge was designed to have more armor pen than 9mm. Long story short the original projectiles were banned for civilians and for a long time no cop was even injured by e as it was so expensive because almost every gang banger has a 9mm. Exactly that because its most common

I also wounder if we will see 30-28n. 270-28n or other wild cats just like another period in Australia history to get around cartidge bans.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Cartridges mate, cartridges. Start with getting that bit right and maybe the rest will follow.

I have absolutely no concern whatsoever about my regular hunting cartridges.

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That's great for you that you are not concerned.
However you should be concerned.
Having vanilla flavored chamberings is not going to help you or me.
The powers that be want us disarmed and that's the end of it.
That's why we won't see another war.....

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Bollocks.

I’ve lived there twice in the 90s and 2010s and got my licence no problem both times, well within the time period they said it would be. Zero problems.

There’s a lot misinformation as usual, regarding this latest ban. As hunters in New Zealand - and Australia - we need to look at it in context. We are talking about 248 individual rifles. Not as some outlets would have you believe, over “200 types of hunting rifle”.

Read the list again and ask yourself how many hunters there are using those chamberings to either provide meat or control the considerable ungulate pest problem in W.A. I’ve been in contact with a bunch of my mates in Oz that I’ve hunted with all over from the Top End to the Snowies, and no one has a problem with it.

Personally, I’d remove the 28 Nosler and .300 Norma Mag off the list.

The ELR target guys are unfortunate collateral in a social battle we are fighting that will rumble on for years. My advice is pick your battles carefully, to win the war.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

That's great for you that you are not concerned.
However you should be concerned.
Having vanilla flavored chamberings is not going to help you or me.
The powers that be want us disarmed and that's the end of it.
That's why we won't see another war.....

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This is exactly why we deserve to loose everything. When they came for our semi autos they nodded their heads in agreement and now bit by bit they come back for the rest. Don't say we didn't tell you so.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Cartridges mate, cartridges. Start with getting that bit right and maybe the rest will follow.

I have absolutely no concern whatsoever about my regular hunting cartridges.

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I don't want to insult anyone but I just don't know what to say...

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

This is exactly why we deserve to loose everything. When they came for our semi autos they nodded their heads in agreement and now bit by bit they come back for the rest. Don't say we didn't tell you so.

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I don't deserve to lose everything...I argued for semi owners rights and I didn't even own one!
But I could see it coming.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Bollocks.

There’s a lot misinformation as usual, regarding this latest ban. As hunters in New Zealand - and Australia - we need to look at it in context. We are talking about 248 individual rifles. Not as some outlets would have you believe, over “200 types of hunting rifle”.

Read the list again and ask yourself how many hunters there are using those chamberings to either provide meat or control the considerable ungulate pest problem in W.A. I’ve been in contact with a bunch of my mates in Oz that I’ve hunted with all over from the Top End to the Snowies, and no one has a problem with it.

Personally, I’d remove the 28 Nosler and .300 Norma Mag off the list.

The ELR target guys are unfortunate collateral in a social battle we are fighting that will rumble on for years. My advice is pick your battles carefully, to win the war.

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WTF - Seriously - SO it only affects 248 guns, but really - the owners have been vetted as suitable, a 338 kills just as effectively as a 270 - no rabbit I have shot asks if it was the 22 magnum or 7mm mag that shot it.

They have a register of those guns, they take them away , it doesnt affect many - so that makes it ok?.

In a couple of years they come out with a list including the 7mm Mag and any number of other good cartridges, that you utilise, is your response going to be the same?

I like souped up overly powerful cars - some politicians decides these sorts of cars are excessively dangerous, and proactively they should be removed off the roads cause - you know - they could kill.

Has someone done a cost benefit analysis here? - Of course not - I would be surprised if any of those calibres have featured in an Australian murder ( I could stand corrected)

The most dangerous firearms for killing based on statistics is .22 and shotgun and probably the ole .303 -( ok a 7,62/39 and 5.56 featured in 50 odd deaths here, but only one shooter.) - depends how you want to make your statistics lie.

Take this as an absolute lesson on the good reason we have a register - for the public good of course, that the LFOs are paying for.

I watched the Police Commissonare and the Premier on TV last night announcing the confiscation they couldn't contain there glee, there are more major announcements to come. I fully expect to be fighting tooth and nail to retain my rifles over the next 12 months and can see only rural landowners having the right to own a firearm in the future.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I don't deserve to lose everything...I argued for semi owners rights and I didn't even own one!
But I could see it coming.

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I know, sometimes and we shouldn't be a political football, but that's what we are now.

I will probably never own or want to own a 416 cheytac (ore even a 28 Nosler) but i would definitely fight for your right to.

@Flyblown so by your judgement that it is a military cartridge, you would clearly support the potential ban of 308, 223, 7.62x39, 8mm mauser, 303 British , 6.5x55, 7.5x55 et al as they were ALL developed for military use....

What dont you get? Compromise is NOT what they are after....Divide and conquer is what they are after. As far as the powers pushing the bans are concerned, they want everything- start with semi auto...next it was pump action, now larger calibres next smaller calibre then it will be the 22s.

Also going by your logic the speed limit is 100km so ANYTHING capable of going faster is obviously targeted at criminal use so ban it. V8 ....nope too powerful - dont need that much power..., Sorts bikes Nope too fast - dont need fast........

What ever rifle or calibre you have in your cupboard, it is on their list...maybe not this time, maybe not next time,,,,,but it is there and they do NOT want you to have it.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

You know what? My son advised me not to reply to this. He’s 16. And he was right. Bugger that.

But what you’ve said is a load of bollocks! And this is the problem with the internet…

One random example…

The .408 Cheyenne Tactical (designated 408 Chey Tac (10.36×77mm) by the C.I.P.[3] from 2013 to 2021) is a specialized rimless, bottlenecked, centerfire cartridge for military long-range sniper rifles that was developed by Dr. John D. Taylor and machinist William O. Wordman. The round was designed with a possible military need for a cartridge for anti-personnel, anti-sniper, and anti-materiel roles with a (supersonic) precision range of 2,200 yards (2,000 m). It is offered as a competitor to the most common military NATO long-range service cartridges such as .338 Lapua Magnum and the .50 BMG.

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@Flyblown so by your judgement that it is a military cartridge, you would clearly support the potential ban of 308, 223, 7.62x39, 8mm mauser, 303 British , 6.5x55, 7.5x55 30/06 and derivitaves , 45/70 et al as they were ALL developed for military use....

What dont you get? Compromise is NOT what they are after....Divide and conquer is what they are after. As far as the powers pushing the bans are concerned, they want everything- start with semi auto...next it was pump action, now larger calibres next smaller calibre then it will be the 22s.

Also going by your logic the speed limit is 100km so ANYTHING capable of going faster is obviously targeted at criminal use so ban it. V8 ....nope too powerful - dont need that much power..., Sorts bikes Nope too fast - dont need fast........

What ever rifle or calibre you have in your cupboard, it is on their list...maybe not this time, maybe not next time,,,,,but it is there and they do NOT want you to have it.

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Originally Posted by tac a1

Because that is what war is mate. Old men talking and arguing. Young men dying. Nothing more, nothing less.

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And you become a pawn for their egos