Crossed the strait a few times before and for the first time I had my keys taken off me for declaring a rifle as per their t&cs.
Is it something new?
I suppose they are well within their rights to not trust the trustworthy....
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Crossed the strait a few times before and for the first time I had my keys taken off me for declaring a rifle as per their t&cs.
Is it something new?
I suppose they are well within their rights to not trust the trustworthy....
first time I came over I handed them in to staff...as per instructions at the time...more hassle than it was worth, been locked inside vechille any time since,as per normal practise.... in a locked case in a locked vechille...... how dumb is it to take your keys off you??? the Mrs has spare set LOL.
did you ask for the gentalia of all staff to be removed to protect yourself from rape?????
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Originally Posted by Stump
Took your keys? How dumb is that! ( you weren’t drunk were you?:yaeh am not durnk:)
What if the staff you gave your keys to weren't trust worthy......
Probably would have better off packing a set of oars!
My policy is don't tell the ferry staff, don't declare on the booking.
My firearms are secured in locked cases, secured to the vehicle.
Bolts in a backpack that goes with me.
Ammunition locked in cases in a separate part of the vehicle.
Sometimes travel with a few (up to 30) kg of powder if required.
What the ferry operator and staff don't know doesn't hurt them.
Nice to see that @Tahr, now it's clear that you don't have to give your keys to staff. I was thinking it rather irresponsible to give your keys to someone who may be unlicensed.
My thoughts exactly, its best to comply with legal requirements and nothing more.
Where did you read that you don’t have to give your keys to staff?Quote:
Originally Posted by RUMPY
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The Guide says only that keys must not be left with the vehicle. Nothing about handing them over to the ferry operator.
I've done both - crossed the strait after declaring rifles, and not declaring. Most recently when I declared at check-in both ways I was asked to hand over keys on one crossing ( which I did ) and not asked on the return crossing. I'm easy with it either way.
A possible point of consideration if your firearms are insured... If something happened during a crossing that caused firearm damage or loss and you wanted to claim you may ( I don't know this for certain ) find it gets sticky with your insurer if the ferry operator policy is that firearms must be declared and you did not do so. Some insurers try hard to find any reason to not pay out.
From Tahr's link
"If the vehicle is travelling on a passenger ferry, then it can be left unattended for the duration of the journey if the driver and passengers are required to leave the vehicle decks. The vehicle must be locked, the windows must be closed, and the keys must not be left with the vehicle."
I offer no opinion on the rights and wrongs of this discussion.
As a thought: If I owned a large passenger/vehicle ferry service, I would want to limit my exposure, in the advent of something happening that could spell the end of my business.
Imagine the the law around this issue, says what it does above. I would want all firearms travelling on my ferry to be secured inside locked vehicle, with no key access.
How to do:
Have the travellers, declare the firearms are being carried properly, by reporting same, take the keys with a trusted staff member. Put this in ticket t&c.
Because the first time the ferry hits a good sized wave, all the numpties will grab their keys and handbags and rush to the vehicle deck, like they're gonna drive off in the middle of the Cook Straight.
And if they don't declare, well legally I'm free.
But then what to do about a bunch of intransigents, who've not only taken up their rights and privileges, to own and transport guns under N.Z. law, but have been having meetings and want to establish by force, an alternate system of societal rule, complete with their own government and a Bloke or Shelia with a ridiculous haircut, at the top?
That's why we have laws and enforcement.
You board the ferry and declare that you have a firearm secured in your vehicle. You are now asked to surrender the vehicle key/s.
Consider this.
Have you ascertained that every employee of the ferry operator who may have access to the key/s has a firearms licence? Or that there is an audit able chain of custody?
That's a little like handing the keys for your home safe to a member of your family because you're going to be away for more than an hour and you haven't ascertained that they have an appropriate licence.
3.1.3 of this document https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....e-guidance.pdf makes an allowance for leaving the vehicle locked but unattended for the duration of the crossing.
Make up your own minds as to how much information you choose to surrender to anybody else.
The intransigenct types would leave bogus keys with the ferry staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
Or have a spare set.
When I was young and stupid I took a rifle as a walk on passenger and handed it over as per requirements for them to secure in the purser's cabin. At Picton there is no sign of said firearm and little interest in finding it.
It was finally located after an hour in the crews mess area leaning up against the wall. The guys picking me up laughed and loaned me a guitar case for the return voyage.
From then on I went in a vehicle and said nothing.
Getting back to the original post ......Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
Are you referring to the National Party?
In which case it's the bloke with no hair to cut.
No party referred to - for what clarification is needed - intransigents that want to establish by force, an alternate system of societal rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
A dig at the folk, who know better, how to govern, than all the folk we elect to do so.
I think I'd prefer to break the ferry operator's Ts&Cs by not declaring than break the law by effectively giving someone who is unlicensed access to my firearms.
Maybe tell the individual asking for keys that would be illegally in possession of a firearm and subject to prosecution. That might slow them down a bit
Wouldn't that be everyone then?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkN
That would mean that either we elect the least competent of the population to run the country, or that they are not really the ones in charge (Thinking the top bureaucrats here....)
What ferry company?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stump
Blue bridge, didnt feel like having to abandon ship!
I didn't read it anywhere but I did read the police document that Tahr linked and it says the vehicle has to be locked with the windows up on a ferry. That's all that's required if I'm reading it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL