firearms licence and trademe

I bid on a firearm last night on trademe, was outbid soon after, no problem. But today I get a Email from trademe that my fal number has been used by another member, please explain and if there is a valid reason the no further action will be taken. First time I have bid on any firearm stuff and didn't know you needed fal number but filled it out. I or the other member could have miss typed. So replied to their thing giving number, expiry date and tell me who and when used my number. 3 to 5 days for their reply. Hopefully the other member received the same please explain. So are they checking numbers or is this a random email sent occasionally, any one else had similar, and what will be the further action. We have one trademe account used by all the family, 4 people 2 FILs same address. Your thoughts please.

I had that issue, used my number for ages, then one day get a digit wrong - big fucking warning from trademe for using an invalid number blah blah.
Make up a FAL but keep using it? everything is fine and dandy. Use your number and one day get a digit wrong - holy fucking shit the world is ending according to trademe.

Yeah, they lose their shit if you use 2 different numbers.

It really makes no difference at the end of the day.

I sometimes couldn't be bothered grabbing my wallet from the car or whatever and would just fill in the formula and they sent me an email asking why I was using different numbers, that I couldn't even reply to.
Ignored it and nothing ever happened, haven't bidded on any firearms on TM since though. Maybe I can't? Haha

Leaving my wallet in my car is about the least clever thing I can think of doing, yeah I know not everywhere is as bad as Auckland but still...

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Leaving my wallet in my car is about the least clever thing I can think of doing, yeah I know not everywhere is as bad as Auckland but still...

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Before I joined here and saw a couple of these threads I put in a different number a couple of times when asking questions and nothing ever happened, maybe bidding and questions are screened differently

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Originally Posted by Fawls

Leaving my wallet in my car is about the least clever thing I can think of doing, yeah I know not everywhere is as bad as Auckland but still...

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Doesn't matter when my car is in the garage lmao

Saw a Parlamentary panel, on the OneNews last night, questioning TM execs re: sale of firearms on their system.
Apparently in relation to 'illegal' firearms being sold through the website.
TM admitted that the seller hasn't previously been required to enter their FAL number when posting a firearm for sale.
They are now, in view of the Enquiry, going to review this 'anomaly', and revise the selling methodology.
Buyers of course are required under the Arms Act, to follow the system for online purchases, so no problem there.
Some of the pollies seemed a little miffed by the TM responses, but couldn't make any capital out of the purchaser's requirements.
The aim of some of the questions seemed to be to 'prove' that firearms were being sold to unlicensed (read criminal) buyers.
Some of these people need to do some REAL research, so they don't make 'dickheads' of themselves on National telly.

Its interesting which news agency carry what story, there must have been a parliamentary debate or hearing or some thing as this was on the radio.
Gun owners urge government restraint at Select Committee

Storm in a teacup. You would have to be a stupid criminal to buy or sell firearms on line where there is a record created of the transaction that can always be traced back to you in some way. Even when the purchase is done on TM you still have to do the same license verification.

In other news you can buy pertol (potential napam) at a pertol station without verifiing your drivers license and deadly poison at the supermarket without verifing anything.

I thought that was a bit weird, considering when I last sold them I had to enter my FAL every two bloody seconds, including every single time I answered a question?

I've actually memorised it now, that's how many times as a seller you have to enter it.

Also I tried entering a random one that was the correct number of values and starting with T and it rejected it so there must already been some sort of information sharing with the police.


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And knives...big black knives...don't forget those

Time to combat obesity by restricting spoon ownership and introducing a spoon registration system?

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Originally Posted by Pengy

And knives...big black knives...don't forget those

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Dont be stupid, only assault spoons need to be registered.

can buy guns on farce book as well (pun intended)

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Originally Posted by Gapped axe

can buy guns on farce book as well (pun intended)

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Not by their rules, however they only know if they are reported.

I had some muppet go off at me for pointing it out politely before the page was shut down. Real fit and proper person with the words he was calling me, threatening etc.




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Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Dont be stupid, only assault spoons need to be registered.

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Its not the spoons that are the problem it is the select fire forks....When will someone think of the children!

And now this.....https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...der-microscope

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Its not the spoons that are the problem it is the select fire forks....When will someone think of the children!

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No,,Hi capacity black spoons are the problem.......Obesity can be fixed by making them eat with teaspoons....

I love "But New Zealand First's Ron Mark says the rules are not good enough because sellers do not have to prove they have a licence."

You actually do because when you do the mail order transfer it has to have the sellers details including FA license on it before the police will sign it off. Also in the unlikely event some unlicensed person sold a gun on trade me to a licensed person isn't that a good thing because there is one less firearm in the hand of someone without a license?

I filled out a mail order form a few weeks back, going over it with the lady at the counter bla bla bla cute kids bla bla, we will confirm the details and check the serial number to make sure it is not stolen and we should have it processed this afternoon (which it was). The last bit surprised me, I was under the impression that they didnt have any database with details of stolen guns, unless they are just running it through a generic stolen goods database. Not that it is a bad thing either.... Just hadnt seen it mentioned in any of these threads before.

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Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

I filled out a mail order form a few weeks back, going over it with the lady at the counter bla bla bla cute kids bla bla, we will confirm the details and check the serial number to make sure it is not stolen and we should have it processed this afternoon (which it was). The last bit surprised me, I was under the impression that they didnt have any database with details of stolen guns, unless they are just running it through a generic stolen goods database. Not that it is a bad thing either.... Just hadnt seen it mentioned in any of these threads before.

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That's only as good as people make it. You can run any number through NIA and if it's attached to something, it should show up. That could be a PRN, phone number, serial number on a TV, passport number etc..

In my experience the people who input anything through the Crime Reporting Line don't really grasp the helpfulness of entered data potentially down the line.. So if your rifle was stolen and had a serial number, you rang CRL, they took the details but entered them incorrectly (like just in the narrative text), later on someone could run that serial number and nothing would come up. Pretty frustrating.


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Originally Posted by Dougie

That's only as good as people make it. You can run any number through NIA and if it's attached to something, it should show up. That could be a PRN, phone number, serial number on a TV, passport number etc..

In my experience the people who input anything through the Crime Reporting Line don't really grasp the helpfulness of entered data potentially down the line.. So if your rifle was stolen and had a serial number, you rang CRL, they took the details but entered them incorrectly (like just in the narrative text), later on someone could run that serial number and nothing would come up. Pretty frustrating.


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To be honest I was surprised they did it at all since the requirement for the serial number on the forms is new. Yes I can see how it may not be particularly effective especially with various dashes and symbols in some numbers

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Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

To be honest I was surprised they did it at all since the requirement for the serial number on the forms is new. Yes I can see how it may not be particularly effective especially with various dashes and symbols in some numbers

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I've only known this number to be entered if there has been an occurrence involving the firearm, eg it's been stolen.

The problem is with the admin per adding the number in a text document, not in a method that is able to be searched.

As far as I am aware, there is no database of firearms.

I'm not really sure how I would feel if there was - to be honest I would probably get over it pretty quick even if my initial reaction was a bit pissy. As an honest owner, I'm not sure how it would actually negatively effect me other than if such a database was leaked. Which is kind of the exact situation now anyway as my current address is listed along with the fact that I have a FAL and you could draw your own conclusions surrounding my possessions. Search Facebook for more than two seconds and you'll soon see what gear I own anyway.


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Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

To be honest I was surprised they did it at all since the requirement for the serial number on the forms is new. Yes I can see how it may not be particularly effective especially with various dashes and symbols in some numbers

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Requirement? I think you may be confused.

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Originally Posted by Dougie

I've only known this number to be entered if there has been an occurrence involving the firearm, eg it's been stolen.

The problem is with the admin per adding the number in a text document, not in a method that is able to be searched.

As far as I am aware, there is no database of firearms.

I'm not really sure how I would feel if there was - to be honest I would probably get over it pretty quick even if my initial reaction was a bit pissy. As an honest owner, I'm not sure how it would actually negatively effect me other than if such a database was leaked. Which is kind of the exact situation now anyway as my current address is listed along with the fact that I have a FAL and you could draw your own conclusions surrounding my possessions. Search Facebook for more than two seconds and you'll soon see what gear I own anyway.


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You can make your privacy settings a bit better than that....

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Originally Posted by Jexla

You can make your privacy settings a bit better than that....

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Her personal one for sure, but she also has follow me page( or did).

People who don't have there personal pages locked down tight really worry me

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Originally Posted by res

Her personal one for sure, but she also has follow me page( or did).

People who don't have there personal pages locked down tight really worry me

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Yup personal one you'll see FA but when you're trying to market your personal brand as a hunting personality.. Kinda have to include myself and my gear in my pics :)


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Originally Posted by Dougie

Yup personal one you'll see FA but when you're trying to market your personal brand as a hunting personality.. Kinda have to include myself and my gear in my pics :)

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Ahh, gotcha.

Risks of the trade, you chose them when you signed up unfortunately :P

Given the way Tardme are heading I will use them less and less for firearm related purchases in future.

What with gunstuff, sportshooter, miitaria auctions and dealing direct with the likes of NZRAC and Digit's NZAR15 I have more options than dollars so no complaints there

Funnily enough I sold my last firearm through word of mouth


Facebook can go fuck itself with a jagged fishknife

I buy and sell lots of firearms related stuff through Trademe. Including a few firearms.

If I'm selling a gun I want to have the widest possible audience to see it.

If I'm looking at buying one, I want a better selection than the 40 pistols and overpriced AR15s on gunstuff.

I don't have any problem with giving Trademe my licence number to bid or ask questions. I've got some good deals and am very happy.

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Originally Posted by systolic

I buy and sell lots of firearms related stuff through Trademe. Including a few firearms.

If I'm selling a gun I want to have the widest possible audience to see it.

If I'm looking at buying one, I want a better selection than the 40 pistols and overpriced AR15s on gunstuff.

I don't have any problem with giving Trademe my licence number to bid or ask questions. I've got some good deals and am very happy.

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Good deals come from the users, not the site. If everyone moved from trademe, gunstuff would have your "good deals"