Firearms Project Community Discussion Sessions: FCAF update

[Sasquatch]

Fudds mentality is poison to the firearms community. If you applied their "logic" to transport we would have no fast cars or motorbikes on our roads.

[marky123]

I get that.But what do we do?

[Cordite]

I get that.But what do we do?

@marky123

COLFO or FOUNZ might publish a version of The Arms Code, firmly based on the law, with FAQs addressing issues which clearly need clarification.

[Sasquatch]

We all feel like doing this to them. But I think persistence is key and to just keep doing what we're doing. Fudd has already had something to say at the meetings so far and will continue too. We need to be there and help re-educate them. Well done to the guys that spoke up and posted your comments on here.

[Sasquatch]

@marky123

COLFO or FOUNZ might publish a version of The Arms Code, firmly based on the law, with FAQs addressing issues which clearly need clarification.

Is there any conformation for that @Cordite?

@Jexla can you chime in on this? ^^^

[Feral]

@marky123

COLFO or FOUNZ might publish a version of The Arms Code, firmly based on the law, with FAQs addressing issues which clearly need clarification.

The arms code is a police document to assist them in administering the arms act. I can't see any good out of any organisation making up their own version and circulating it.

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[Feral]

...social media is the thing that scares the Police more than other group

Ha, doubtful at best.

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[Cordite]

Is there any conformation for that @Cordite?

@Jexla can you chime in on this? ^^^

@Sasquatch

Sorry, no, I was making a suggestion, not reporting on something being done by COLFO.

@Feral

I think the point of my suggestion is to take up police's admission that there are police "training issues" in matters relating to the Arms Act. It is well within COLFOs ability to publish an authoritative plain explanation of the Arms Act, what it says... and what it does not say, with FAQs and practical examples. And have the booklet endorsed by a couple of barristers. Every AO and Application Assessor would get hold of a copy, I guarantee you.

I'd be happy to illustrate it with some line drawings, a bit better than the one below...



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[Feral]

Clarity of communication and quality of training were two topics discussed at the Palmerston North firearms discussion. Commonality and quality of AO training was seen by the 12 or so people who attended as being necessary to avoid the different interpretations of legislation. Ie the Police needs to be accurate and within the law. The communication bit was in relation to things like the Arms Code using the right language (must, should, may etc) to take away any ambiguity and the need for differing interpretations.

An example of this was Mike McIlraith discussing the limits of unattended vs attended when leaving a firearm in a vehicle (say at a gas station during a journey). Like everything though it would end up being tested in a court of law.

[striker]

Had the Rotorua meeting today, I didnt count but there but someone mentioned there was 32 of us there.
Ill go in to a bit more detail in a bit

[kotuku]

shit on it -Im working afternoon shift when the grey meeting is on otherwise would have trundled along and lent an ear lug.

[A330driver]

That being said,I (as others) would be interested in how that discussion panned out.....thanks in advance

Had the Rotorua meeting today, I didnt count but there but someone mentioned there was 32 of us there.
Ill go in to a bit more detail in a bit

[Russian 22.]

Heres the photos of the minutes from the Auckland meeting. 25 people turned up. Out of 1 million residents or so and how ever many people are licensed.



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